Scot is an Idiot.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

Re: Be honest with yourself now Martin.

I used to work a ren fair in NY, where a lot of the cast was involved, in various levels, with legit theater. Once in awhile, someone would expose an audition during announcements, telling people that they were the producer or director of such and such a production, and that the audition announcement was bunk, so don't bother auditioning, because the roles were already cast.

I would much rather have someone call for what they really want than to run an ad that is too broad, deliberately "fair", and call people to come and be looked over when they are simply not going to get the gig. It wastes everyone's time: if there are enough people on the planet who want the gig, let the director
be as explicit as possible in drawing the parameters.

The magician's vision is the same vision that will pick the actress; him calling for what he seeks is simple, honest, and not something to whine about.

[jester]

Upon reflection

Upon reflection.

I think that for myself to criticise the advert in the way that I did was wrong at the time.

I could have started a thread and a debate at the time without actually interfering with the job offer itself.

On that one,rather significant, point I concede and apologise to all concerned and I promise not to do it again.

[le pire]

Upon reflection


It finally happened.

[jester]

Re: Re: Be honest with yourself now Martin.

Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix
I would much rather have someone call for what they really want than to run an ad that is too broad, deliberately "fair", and call people to come and be looked over when they are simply not going to get the gig. It wastes everyone's time: if there are enough people on the planet who want the gig, let the director
be as explicit as possible in drawing the parameters.

This is a similar argument to "if the employer is racist he will only see the black candidates and waste their time to satisfy the legislation."

In practice employers interview people they would not have bothered with to start with and often find to their surprise that the woman (who they did not want) sat in front can do a good job, better than the man he saw ten minutes ago. Not always, obviously, but it began a process of changing attitudes.

I had a pub manager who swore he wanted only a girl for the evening shift. It must be a girl he said, try to discourage the men, I don't want to waste their time. I explained that he had to at least interview the men.

He took on a man even though he had 7 girls and only two men apply for the job. Why? I never found out. He managed to replace some natural wastage with a woman further down the line to redress the imbalance, but he clearly prefered this man.

Employers often don't want to employ people older than themselves. Which is very hard on people over the age of 50. Research shows that people over 50 are generally much better employees.

The truth about age, is we respect people older than ourselves and don't want to have to boss somebody about. We soon find that we don't acutally have to boss an older person about and we cope. I speak as an employer here. I have no problem at all with older people, and they are usually better at letting you know what they really think without upsetting you.

[Evan Young]

do you really not see the difference between a show and a resteraunt?

and jester, I respect that you will allways publicly post your admission of a lost argument, a lot of people don't.
you still drive me nuts.

[jester]

Yes Evan i can see the difference between a show and a restaurant, but what if the restaurant has a theme? Should they not be exempt discrimination laws too?

I just can't see the difference between a good 27yr old red headed magicians assistant and a 23 yr old Brunette.

You already were nuts.

[jester]

Originally posted by le pire
Upon reflection


It finally happened.

How gracious.

[Evan Young]

Originally posted by jester
Yes Evan i can see the difference between a show and a restaurant, but what if the restaurant has a theme? Should they not be exempt discrimination laws too?

I just can't see the difference between a good 27yr old red headed magicians assistant and a 23 yr old Brunette.

You already were nuts.

LOL, I set myself up for that one.

I did two years with FoodPlay. When they were doing casting calls in the Acting mags they listing some level of juggling as a requirement. Only 2 of the over 10 people who came to audition could do any juggling at all. The guy they hired to be my partner on the second run tried to teach himself how to juggle with rolled up socks the week before the audition, and he sucked at it. They gave him some pointers and told him to come back in a week. He was better at it when he came back. I worked with him and he was pretty decent by the time the show was up and running.
My point is that requirments don't stop actors who are confidnent in themselfs. Now I don't know, but I'll bet this guy would have at least talked to anybody who contacted him.

[gav]

and there i was thinking I could change the course of the argumument by calling you all stupid fuckers.
How wrong I was.
Or was I right ?

[jester]

And knowing the average jobbing British Stage Illussionist like I do, I think its only about a 50/50 chance.


What a creative person would have put was "Trainee Magician." Because in truth, the assistant is normally performing as much magic and misdirection (often more) than the magician.

I think the whole concept of a dolly girl magicians assistant (which is what you often see in this country) is sexist. So I did make lots of presumptions. Mainly cos I have seen hundreds and hundreds of magicians - I used to be one myself. They take themselves far too seriously. The Magic Circle resisted accepting women until the late 1990's. The good ones wouldn't have called her an assistant. They would have advertised for a girl magician with training given.

I'm sorry Evan, but I am an egalitarian. Your employees are not just labour, they are your partners and you have a business relationship with them. Sure you earn more than they do but they need a vested interest, emotional if not financial in the success of your business.

Had a girl work for me two years ago who didn't get on holiday camps or any other summer jobs she applied for because she was "too fat."

Actually, she was broad, wide, short for her weight, but she wasn't really fat and she did present herself really nicely. Had her barely a week when she got a job presenting with a film company. They were filming us at an event (they made training videos and commissioned films) and she so impressed them (and gave them a card and some sweet talk). Now I see her sometimes on late night strange documentaries. When she came to me she was so grateful for the work and her self esteem had been bashed a bit. But she could juggle and unicycle and stuff quite nicely.

The point is, she was an assett to whoever employed her, but because she didn't fit the mould she wasn't given much of a chance. And that's the bit I detest, the superficial, visual idea of what artists think they want.

If she hadn't been seen on the film working for me, she would never have even been considered for the job she got. And that is wrong.

[jester]

I want to apologise to Scot and get this back on thread.

Scot, I'm thinking of you. And boy this thread really needs some of your grand self deprecating wit right now.

[Stephon]

Originally posted by gav
and there i was thinking I could change the course of the argumument by calling you all stupid fuckers.
How wrong I was.
Or was I right ?

Gav, the problem was that we couldn't understand you, 'cuz of your drunken slurring

[scot]

I can't commit to continuing reading all this stuff. This thread is out of control.

[Evan Young]

I don't like magicians either. If scot were a magician I would be more likely to slander him.
He does look very amazed with his hand on the front page of his website. Maybe he brought up retarded mexicans because he himself is one.

[Frisbee]

I don't think that Scot is an idot...oh wait, wrong forum...