Scot is an Idiot.

**scot** · Mar-12-2006, 09:32 AM

so glad I didn't have to post that twice

**jester** · Mar-12-2006, 04:42 PM

Come on now. Answer the questions. It was YOU who challenged ME.

You can't can you? Come on. Try THINKING. It's fun. If you can juggle you can think. Come on give it a go. You're in show business so you really should be articulate enough to express those thoughts. So come on - show me how stupid I am. Debate with me.

Here are the questions again.

Why Mexican Scot? What in your limited experience of sex or mexicans compels you to include them in this weak insult?

Why would anybody in this forum other than yourself want to sexually exploit a vulnerable adult?

Why does the illusionist have an age requirement?

Why can't a red/ ginger/black or mouse brown apply for the job?

**scot** · Mar-12-2006, 05:01 PM

I used Mexican, because black people carry guns.

I've never had sex, but I've made-out with one Mexican girl.

The purpose of sexually exploiting adults (besides refreshing enjoyment) usually boils down to the male attempt to regain power in an overly feminized world. The female who SEs is usually trying to masculate herself. That's why people would want to do it. That's why I do it.

I am not in a position to positively answer the last two questions. Here are some guesses.

While you may want to strike out against the aesthetist ways of the performing arts, please do remember that most people wish you were younger and better looking.

He has a trick called "impervious clitorus" which requires a merkin matching the mate's triangle. Tannens only carries blonde and brunette magic mustaches.

**scot** · Mar-12-2006, 05:02 PM

I wasn't challenging you. I took your statement of "offensive" as a challenge.

**jester** · Mar-12-2006, 05:17 PM

Yep. You're vaguely funny in an offensive way. But not clever enough to be funny in a non offensive way.

You used "Mexican" because you knew that your joke was highly dependant upon its blatent crass anti "PC" attitude. Your audience are happy with the premise "most mexicans are stupid" for the convenience of your jokes.

I like your acknowledgement that the use of Mexican is racist and I admire your bravery in stating so. You want me to think: "If he was really racist he would never dare admit it." However, if you think racist humour is acceptable, even on a laddish ironic level, I fear you're a racist propagandist, which makes you even worse. You are mercenary. It works for you and you don't care for the people who dislike it.

Do you really think that a 30 year old is necessarily less attractive than a 23 year old?

I'm not joking here. The age thing is WRONG. I am grateful that people advertise their work on this forum. However a preference in hair colour and a maximum age of 23 is nothing to do with aesthetics. It is mindless ageism. I suspect that the magician knows that shortly after the age of 23, even starstruck girls get a little wiser and more challenging intellectually.

The fact is Scot, the advert is WRONG!

**Mrs. Wilson** · Mar-12-2006, 07:20 PM

are you for real?

"....an overly feminized world."

What world do YOU live in?

"I've never had sex, but I've made-out with one Mexican girl."

oh, that one.
and..
The one where
sexually exploiting adults is refreshing enjoyment?

no wonder the attraction for the infantile bam-bette.
Maybe just not ready for a real woman with half a brain?

**Evan Young** · Mar-12-2006, 11:53 PM

I don't know guys. this is theatre we are talking about. Directors and producers have ideas of what they want, and if that's what they want, then that's it. To my knowledge that's how castings frequently work.
I'm assuming that you need to look between those ages, like, you can be older if you look young. The person posting probably has a good, or possibly completley arbitrary reason for their requirements, and they don't have to explain it, because it's their project.

I myself, wouldn't want a full time female assistant who was older than me, it would be wrong for my show. I'm 24. I don't know if that's what this guy's reason is, and it really doesn't matter.

okay, get my point? it's theatre. people in theatre have characters. those characters have ages and genders and body types. this guy is trying to cast his character he has written for his show. it's totally normal.

that's where I stand. I wish I could make it read more funny.
and I couldn't find the origional thread.

**Magrat2005** · Mar-13-2006, 02:42 AM

Re: Scot is an Idiot.

Originally posted by jester

Female Illusionists assistant to work summer season touring the UK with well established magical illusionist fees negotible
Requirements: aged: 17-23 Blonde/Brunette
Height: 5'2 - 5'3 Slender Build
Dancing and stage experience required
peferably based south england area (not Essential)q
for more information please contact Adam on 07906 123491

must be a size 8, must be a 32B, must have size 5 feet.

why does it matter what the person looks like?! so long as she can do her job well enough, looks shouldnt be an issue, slap some make-up on, tie her hair up and she'll as good as the next person. for a good example of this, see Jesta...

**gav** · Mar-13-2006, 03:50 AM

I personaly think that jester over reacted to the original post.
As Evan points out the age requirement could be because the performer is young himself and the dynamic he wishes to have in his show requires someone of a similar or younger age than he.

The size of the person is understandable.

The hair, well it says blonde/brunette . I personaly would take that to mean it didn't matter which hair color they have since blonde and brunette are the 2 most common colour categories for womens hair. It would be pointless to list all the hair colours when you can just write blonde/brunette.

As for scots comments.

Would it have been racist if he had said retarded australian or englishman ? I doubt you would have thought so. If you are not racist, then it doesn't matter which nationality you use. Correct?

So I think the only mistake scot made was to say a 'retarded' person would even be in a position to drool come on anyone because we all know that not all retarded people drool.

**Peter Voice** · Mar-13-2006, 04:47 AM

Actually I think the issue is just about the puerile quality of Scot's attempt to insult and bait Jester.

To an audience accustomed to the chastisment of Martin, Dr. Eric and others, it was a very weak effort.

Whilst I can see Jester's point, I also think he has over-reacted to the post and it is some-one's right to cast their show as the show requires.

But, gee, Scot's replies do look rather stupid.

For a start, Toaster Ovens can be useful. You can turn one off and it is easy to clean.

**jester** · Mar-13-2006, 09:56 AM

One Legged Tarzan

I don't think callenging peoples prejudice is over reaction.

Ageism is a very valid employment issue. Evan wouldn't feel comfortable employing an older famale assistant... he thinks. Without interviewing one he has no idea whether this would work or not. I have employed people older than myself and I have not regretted it. You either get along with people or you don't, their age has little to do with it. Evan should be big enough and confident in himself by now to cope with older people.

If the hair colours wasn't important Adam would not have specified Blonde/Brunette and yes that is a broad spectrum but the advert does exclude other colours.

I fully understand the size requirement and never disputed that.

I started this thread because I challenged the wording on an advert (which has thankfully been removed) and Scot decided to attack me. It was not only a poor attack, it was pathetic. Scot has a kind of anti-intellectual chip on his shoulder anyway. Scot called me stupid, I called upon his limited intellect to try and prove his point...

I care a lot about employment and employment law. Age discrimination is wrong. At the end of the day a magician can employ whoever he wants for any reason, but he should consider all aplications within reason.

I can see why a one legged Tarzan is difficult to cast, but if Billy Elliot is happy to cast black and asian children with white parents because they know their show is good enough to suspend that disbelief, then there is a lesson here for all of us.

Evan, just cos that's the way it has always been, that doesn't make it right. That's a very conservative and reactionary attitude to take.

At present the entertainment industry is exempt things like race discrimination and sex discrimination, but I think it often abuses that right. I think that all showgirls having to conform to a certain height is disgusting and I think that many lap dancing clubs are often better employers than big producers and theatres because they have such a diverse range of physical shapes working for them.

I am proud of the fact that I have employed many people, some with serious employment issues and problems. If they are willing to work hard for me, I will work hard to accomodate them. Nothing makes me happier than to know that these people moved on leaving a positive experience behind them. if somebody wants to work for me I will consider them. I am creative and can work around most things, it's a challenge.

As young entreupeneurs, I ask everyone who reads these boards to think about these things as they move on in the world and become employers (which many of you will.)

I can assure you that government will create far more hastle and cost to your business than most of your difficult employees.

If the entertainment industry continues to abuse its exemptions to discriminate on certain artistic grounds, it will only be a matter of time before they lose them.

It sounds silly, but a one legged Tarzan is entirely possible in our lifetime.

As for Gavs assertion that English or Australian would not have been racist... Of course it would have. I think refering to stupidity as though it were a national trait of any nation is lazy minded. Gavs bollocks about the dynamic he wishes to have in his show is ludicrous. The magician has a vision - but soon a vision can make one very closed minded.

I stand by my original point.... Scot is an idiot!

**Evan Young** · Mar-13-2006, 10:21 AM

The fact is that if the show will work better with a younger person, then it will work better with a younger person. Casting is not about being a just, equitable employer, it's about the show.
showgirls have to be a certain hight because it creates a specific effect on the stage that you cant get with a large variety. Strip clubs can cast a variety because they arn't all on stage dancing in sync together.
I could get along with an older assistant just fine, no problem. But for the show I have now, a person my age or younger would be best, and that's what it's about; the show. And I could chang it sure, but there are reasons why that's not practicle as well.
Just so it's clear, I'm not hiring anyone.

**Evan Young** · Mar-13-2006, 10:31 AM

and furthermore. Theatre is a competitive world. The people who are willing to say, "give me a chance anyway" frequently get ahead, despite getting rejected more than the people who don't take the chance.
That doesn't mean that casters shouldn't post what they are looking for in their casting calls.

**Evan Young** · Mar-13-2006, 10:48 AM

and furthermore.
this is an art form we are talking about.
if you tell a magician that he has to consider casting assistants of all ages, where are you gonna draw the line? Are you also going to tell painters who draw people that they have to consider painting pictures of people of all ages? Are you going to say that kids can audition for the role of a grandmother in a tennesee williams play?
I really don't understand how you can tell an artist that they have to consider everybody when casting their show when they already have a vision for what they want to acheave!

Scot is an Idiot.

Scot is an Idiot.

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