grrrrrrrrrrrr....

[le pire]

Look, I'm REALLY sick of seeing sarcastic replies in the
'gigs" section when whatever is offered is "beneath" what the performer wants. So you are too good for the gig, fine, ignore it!
So you're worth more than $100 an hour, but for someone starting out that's a good gig (remember when you took those jobs, years ago?). Sometimes, the client can't afford a high-end performer, just like sometimes you can't afford that Rolls Royce.

People will say "well, I'm attempting to educate the client." Yes, they certainly are being educated. They've learned that you are a jerk, and that in the future it's not worth posting gigs here. High end clients won't bother posting gigs either, because they see that a bunch of jerks populate this forum and nobody wants to hire a jerk.


etienne

[Marcus Wilson]

I agree

I agree and dont think I could have said it any better.

[Frisbee]

yup

I also agree with Etienne...I posted a similar response on one of the gigs boards before.

[scot]

I could have said it better.

It's easier to poke out a few words on your keyboard with your lobster claws, or your cigarette than to administrate your own forum.

If you want to control the way people use the boards you frequent, make your own boards. Otherwise, you're just trash talking to your peers -- you're as low as me.

[martin ewen]

I'd make a splendid agony aunt, ..Apart from the penis.

No Scot, YOUR trash talking to your peers if you cold shoulder a potential client publicly.
This self evident fact has simply been acknowledged by Etienne who's pointed out that it's generally discouraging to people who would scan this forum to perhaps pop an opportunity up.
As such its annoying, self indulgent (you don't get snarky unless you've discarded the gig as an option) and selfish for the same reason. (you are less than welcoming to people using this forum for one of its primary purposes.)
You want to continue advertising your distain for opportunities beneath you on a public forum then as you note that is your right.
It doesn't change the fact that by doing so your being selfish, self indulgent and setting a personal tone that is not shared by some others.
(yes we know you don't care Scot-see above)
I am not sinless myself, I have replied to a Singapore opportunity with a huge fictitious act involving stunt jet ski's and a cast of Butterfly, nick and a few others. (I got a reply too and had to let them know we were fully booked for a number of years)
That was fun,...also selfish and self indulgent.
Being snarky to complete strangers is what i do for a living Scot and I can tell you that it only works if theres an audience to soften it with laughter the victim can hear.
Your victims, (and as a professional I use the term extremely generously for you) just see adolescent sarcasm and go elsewhere. And we just cringe because your sort of embarrassing us with your witless tone.
They lose, we (collectively) lose, and you win.
Personally, and given your on a bit of a quest for a cult of personality (and what performer isn't)
I just wish you would raise your definition of what constitutes a victory. Not that it matters. We will survive you Scot and one way or the other you'll survive yourself.

[martin ewen]

Here it comes, devastating rejoiner ahead

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[scot]

That was long. "you" was used correctly in those sentences, but the sentences were not, as I am not you. I have not been the same offender you have. So, if you were actually talking about you when using the word "you," I am wrong.

I was just defending freedom even though I wasn't planning on using it. You can have my freedom and my cult.

[martin ewen]

Dammit scot I'm wrong, your right

I hate that, I hate when I get something completely wrong and shoot of a missive and then chorkle and then get a reply and then chorkle some more and then start on a reply and just before I send it off I think, I'll just use the search function so I can find an example of what I'm referring to so I can be extra specially smug and I search and find that Scot has not been particularily sarcastic on the gigs offered threads at all and in fact has posted gigs that were no use to him but may have been useful to others.
I feel like vomiting this humble pie but I'd only have to eat injest it again .
Scot I am sorry I mistakenly was snide, and sarcastic and abusive.
You have every right to defend any freedom you imagine etienne is trying to take from you.
I agree with Etienne about cheap shots at jobs offered.
But you are not a cheap shotter.
I did find an example of you asking questions re the gig and I replyed with a subtextural breakdown and you commented back to me, "you are right, thank you"

http://www.performers.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2433

ooh Scot, you can't see me now but if you could you would see that I am rending my garment in shame (Its a brooks bro's nightshirt and very expensive)
I must go now and learn to live with myself all over again.

[scot]

Don't bleach your war flag.

[le pire]

Scot,

I was not implying limiting free speech, or that it is the responsibility of Jim to sanatize certain areas of the forum.

Personally I think "everything in it's right place." If you have a problem with cheap clients or you want to talk about how performers who accept these low paying gigs lessens the value of what we all do, then there are places on this forum for that discussion (agency issues, festival discussions, legal/ financial issues), and if you just want to bitch then that is what "blah blah blah" is for. But you know this, and that's why I wasn't addressing you, Scot, but other performers who type up their knee-jerk sarcastic responses and hit "submit" without a moments thought.

I'm not trying to control the boards, I'm asking people to control themselves, for their own good and the good of the community.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm having a nic fit and need to go outside.

etienne

[Jim]

From the administrator...

As mentioned below, and as I've said in the past... Please refrain from snarky jabs and negative commentary on low-paying or free "gigs" in the gig forums. It's unprofessional and it will definitely make people not want to come back and post other (potentially higher paying) gigs in the future.

If you really have something to say about a client posting a gig... take it into the appropriate forum. If it's a gig you don't want to take, move along and let someone else respond to it... no need to tell the world you wouldn't work for the money offered.

Basically, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything in the gig forum. If you can't hold it in, bring it to the "Client/Agent/Agency Issues" forum.

If anyone sees anything that doesn't belong in the gig forums, please use the "Report This Post" Link and I'll deal with it.

Thanks,
Jim

[harmonicakev]

Re: From the administrator...

Originally posted by Jim
Please refrain from snarky jabs and negative commentary on low-paying or free "gigs" in the gig forums. It's unprofessional and it will
Jim

I confess to engaging in this very behaviour in the past, and I stand duly chastised and penitent...definitely didn't think before posting.

I'm curious, is anyone actually getting gigs off of postings here?

good day - Kevin M.

[Marcus Wilson]

I have.

Everyone at the MLB all star weekend in Detroit was a direct resut of this web site.

[Evan Young]

I have had a couple.

[Spike McGuire]

I have