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  • Peter Voice
    Moderator
    • Dec 2000
    • 1065

    Kurt Vonnegut

    I offer this without comment.



    August 11th, 2004 10:31 am

    I Love You, Madame Librarian - by Kurt Vonnegut

    by Kurt Vonnegut

    In These Times

    I, like probably most of you, have seen Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11. Its title is a parody of the title of Ray Bradbury’s great science fiction novel, Fahrenheit 451. This temperature 451° Fahrenheit, is the combustion point, incidentally, of paper, of which books are composed. The hero of Bradbury’s novel is a municipal worker whose job is burning books.

    And on the subject of burning books: I want to congratulate librarians, not famous for their physical strength or their powerful political connections or their great wealth, who, all over this country, have staunchly resisted anti-democratic bullies who have tried to remove certain books from their shelves, and have refused to reveal to thought police the names of persons who have checked out those titles.

    So the America I loved still exists, if not in the White House or the Supreme Court or the Senate or the House of Representatives or the media. The America I love still exists at the front desks of our public libraries.

    And still on the subject of books: Our daily sources of news, papers and TV, are now so craven, so unvigilant on behalf of the American people, so uninformative, that only in books can we find out what is really going on. I will cite an example: House of Bush, House of Saud by Craig Unger, published near the start of this humiliating, shameful blood-soaked year.

    In case you haven’t noticed, and as a result of a shamelessly rigged election in Florida, in which thousands of African Americans were arbitrarily disenfranchised, we now present ourselves to the rest of the world as proud, grinning, jut-jawed, pitiless war lovers, with appallingly powerful weaponry and unopposed.

    In case you haven’t noticed, we are now almost as feared and hated all over the world as the Nazis were.
    With good reason.

    In case you haven’t noticed, our unelected leaders have dehumanized millions and millions of human beings simply because of their religion and race. We wound and kill ’em and torture ’em and imprison ’em all we want.
    Piece of cake.

    In case you haven’t noticed, we also dehumanize our own soldiers, not because of their religion or race, but because of their low social class.

    Send ’em anywhere. Make ’em do anything.

    Piece of cake.

    The O’Reilly Factor.

    So I am a man without a country, except for the librarians and the Chicago-based magazine you are reading, In These Times.
    Before we attacked Iraq, the majestic New York Times guaranteed that there were weapons of mass destruction there.
    Albert Einstein and Mark Twain gave up on the human race at the end of their lives, even though Twain hadn’t even seen World War I. War is now a form of TV entertainment.
    And what made WWI so particularly entertaining were two American inventions, barbed wire and the machine gun.
    Shrapnel was invented by an Englishman of the same name. Don’t you wish you could have something named after you?

    Like my distinct betters Einstein and Twain, I now am tempted to give up on people too. And, as some of you may know, this is not the first time I have surrendered to a pitiless war machine.

    My last words? “Life is no way to treat an animal, not even a mouse.”
    Napalm came from Harvard. Veritas!
    Our president is a Christian? So was Adolf Hitler.

    What can be said to our young people, now that psychopathic personalities, which is to say persons without consciences, without a sense of pity or shame, have taken all the money in the treasuries of our government and corporations and made it all their own?
    Every-one should watch their drawers!
    http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/
  • Chance
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2000
    • 518

    #2
    ZZZZzzzzzzzZZzzzZZZZzZZZZZZzzzzzzz

    I admire the piece offered, but not the "spirit" in which it was offered. Surely you can do better than hide behind such lame comments, as "no comment"?

    Anyone reading your past letters of political content here can easily see through to your rabid hatred of anything American. Take, for instance, your letter refering to the so-called censored radio broadcasters lists. Shown to be an internet spoof and quickly proven false, but still offered by you in any case. Even after I showed you how false it was, you simply switched your attack to me personally instead of apologising for your mistake.

    And even though I am certainly no Bush supporter (quite the opposite actually) I assume the same will happen over this commentary as well.
    Last edited by Chance; Aug-18-2004, 09:28 AM.

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    • martin ewen
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2000
      • 1887

      #3
      zzzzZZZZI'm so clever I can write in my sleepzzzZZZZ

      chance, get back in your fucking box.
      your insipid pedestrian transparently personal and provocative attempt to bait the only person on this site whose skin you can still get under says nothing, apart from revealing what at best could be descibed as borderline debating skills usually reserved for victims you can incense beyond logic.You don't come across as a defender of anything,same old attack, same old target. You must be bored which if I may say so suits you.Poetic justice considering the industrial boredom you've evoked on this site and off. Try and internalise it rather than presuming we're interested.
      Who knows, there could be a tumour in it for you. I don't like your 'spirit'
      Tough shit.

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      • Peter Voice
        Moderator
        • Dec 2000
        • 1065

        #4
        Vonnegut's writing was particular poignant to me as every word could be applied, doubly, to Australia and my real lament is that we have no-one here with such courage, influence and honesty.

        I also have a passionate love of books, libraries and, those unsung heroes, librarians. These archives and their custodians seem to me to be the last bastion of free speech.

        Speaking of archives, chance, could you pls direct me to the posting to which you refer. My memory seems to have failed me and my dementia must have spread to p.net's archives. If you can't find it, I'm sure you'll find your posting rebuking me. Either one will do.

        No wonder your member keeps trying to escape, on most male members the useless piece of flesh is found on the other end.
        Last edited by Peter Voice; Aug-18-2004, 07:51 PM.
        Every-one should watch their drawers!
        http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/

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        • martin ewen
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2000
          • 1887

          #5
          I like bile but have high standards

          oh well, i tried, best leave you two to it.
          happy harranging,

          'sirens of Titan' is my all time favorite

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          • Mr.Taxi Trix
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2000
            • 1273

            #6
            "Timequake" really did it for me, not only for the insanely original premise, but also because it made clear that KV's love and compassion grew through his lifetime. The tasty cynicism was alive and well in the book, but it came from a more understanding place.

            I also have a weakness for librarians, but less the bony, dried up crackly hags and more the silent fire, glasses on, hair up, black-stockinged bookish whirwinds with secret aces up their lacy sleeves. I assume KV's praise was somewhat informed by that vision.

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            • Peter Voice
              Moderator
              • Dec 2000
              • 1065

              #7
              I think the thing about this quote that cuts me deepest is the bit about feeling stateless.

              I've always felt that I was a citizen of the planet but that I also belonged to the community that I grew up in.

              I have now come to the conclusion that I am alone.
              Every-one should watch their drawers!
              http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/

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              • Chance
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2000
                • 518

                #8
                did you know?

                Peter, try searching the word "snopes". You will get one hit, in the "Did You Know" thread. Look then at page 2. Then let me know if you prefer your crow medium or rare.

                Martin, what amazes and amuses me to no end, is how you only have the ability to say these things with a key board firmly in your grasp. Funny how you never had the guts to say this crap to my face when ever you had the chance.

                Peter again, after reading your later comments to this thread, I wanted to say that I appreciate them very much, and feel very much the same way myself... about Vonnegut, the current US administration, Australia, the state of the world in general, all of it. Had you said so in the first place I would never had written my letter criticizing you.

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                • martin ewen
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2000
                  • 1887

                  #9
                  Heres a hint, your unpopular

                  Chance, I'm glad your amused, you being amused amuses me, it confirms my subterrainian opinion of you.
                  The very first time I met you you had grabbed my pitch at the fremantle buskers pitch because there was no-one there (I was getting ready nearby) Not a huge deal but not the best first impression. I arrived and told you to look at the program, you apoligised and I said 'thats ok people make mistakes.'
                  Alex marshal ran that festival and is a good friend of mine, he had been angered by you using quotes proportedly made by him that you had created yourself.
                  He contacted jim here at p.net and had them removed.
                  So my first impressions were uniformally that you were in fact a bit of a pillock.
                  I don't make a habit of accosting every pillock I meet for 2 reasons. 1 lifes too short, and 2 there is nothing whatsoever in it for me.
                  second time was in Auckland, I have lots of buddies in the street performing fraternity and I'm terribly sorry but your not one of them. There was a secondary gig to the americas cup and some of the performers who were scheduled had swapped their spots with non scheduled performers who were there to flypitch. (this is the first americas cup, not the one you had a contract for)
                  You were miffed at missing out on a swapped pitch (something to do with your popularity perhaps) and had hypothisised something along the lines of "well what if someone were to tell the americas cup admin what was going on." Tattling was the only power you had, sad really and thats where brady rounded on you and called you all sorts of names, (or one name in a lot of different ways) It amused me no end. So again sorry i couldn't get a word in and sorry you missed out on my opinion of you at that point, but really , who but you cares?
                  Also just having finished the Phish concert working with dan foley who's an open welcoming street act resident in Boston your name was mentioned in regard to 'people who don't get on well with others.' Seems your personality leaves bad impressions as a matter of course, perhaps it could even be your fuel.
                  Now given that you have a tendancy to physically hit people (for whatever reason) and given that you also have a history of constucting elaborate martial competions with people in the hope that you can hit them. It strikes me that here at my keyboard is the best place to voice my objection to your existance.
                  I'm sure, if you really wanted to you could find me somewhere and beat me up ..as i am equally sure that the subtext of your remarks is nothing more than an incredably thinly veiled "why don't you come here and say that?"
                  Which in its childishness and petulant powerlessness, amuses me no end.
                  Please don't try and construct an elaborate way to beat me up as I'm pretty sure.....(hold on)....Yep pretty sure I'm not interested.
                  For anyone interested I can provide Alex's, bradys and Dans e-mails for confirmation just in case chance gets all liable uppidy.
                  Not that I give a shit, I love baiting the socially retarded.

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                  • newyorkstreetdean
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 131

                    #10
                    so Martin... How was Phish?

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                    • The Amazing Beaumanz
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2002
                      • 437

                      #11
                      well put martin!!!!

                      Beautifully put Martin. His reputation here in Clearwater is quite tainted also.

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                      • Peter Voice
                        Moderator
                        • Dec 2000
                        • 1065

                        #12
                        My memory is indeed fading. Thank you for doing the search for me. I couldn't be bothered.

                        I quoted an article published in the Melbourne Age and the New York Times, complete with date, page number and Author and you quoted a webpage of unknown provenance. I'll leave it to the readers here to decide how to cook the crow.

                        Somehow it makes me feel dirty to have you appreciate anything I say or do.

                        Next time, why don't you just let your member go. Surely it has suffered enough with you constantly beating it.
                        Last edited by Peter Voice; Aug-20-2004, 12:41 AM.
                        Every-one should watch their drawers!
                        http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/

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                        • Butterfly Man
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2000
                          • 1606

                          #13
                          So it goes ...

                          Pardon,

                          Thank you Peter for posting that recent missive ... Vonnegut words echo the reality we presently endure here in America ... it seems we have become a very divided country once again (ahh, the '60's) ... Interestingly enough, living in the US nowadays has certain similarities to that Princess Di thing a few years back ... when you meet somebody new, you don't know if you fuckin' really hate them or not (until they reveal their politics) ... Republicans should be forced to wear one color all the time or maybe an armband (gee, they wouldn't even need to come up with an original logo).

                          Now, in a feeble attempt to lighten things up, may I interject something he wrote just a few years ago ... and if anybody out there knows ... could they please explain to me why there's no damn cat and no damn cradle?



                          Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '97:

                          Wear sunscreen.

                          If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it.
                          The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now.

                          Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they've faded. But trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you imagine.

                          Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm on some idle Tuesday.

                          Do one thing every day that scares you.

                          Sing.

                          Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with people who are reckless with yours.

                          Floss.

                          Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, it's only with yourself.

                          Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed in doing this, tell me how.

                          Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements.

                          Stretch.

                          Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting 40-year-olds I know still don't.

                          Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them when they're gone.

                          Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your choices are half chance. So are everybody else's.

                          Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

                          Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room.

                          Read the directions, even if you don't follow them.

                          Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you feel ugly.

                          Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for good. Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.

                          Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who knew you when you were young.

                          Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel.

                          Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble, and children respected their elders.

                          Respect your elders.

                          Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund. Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one might run out.

                          Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it will look 85.

                          Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it's worth.

                          But trust me on the sunscreen.




                          P.S. Might I also add to trust his "don't mess with your hair" thing ... my sister practiced her hair bleaching techniques on me repeatedly when I was 15 ... I've never been quite right since.
                          Last edited by Butterfly Man; Aug-20-2004, 04:17 AM.

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                          • Peter Voice
                            Moderator
                            • Dec 2000
                            • 1065

                            #14
                            Robert, you are definitely one of those things American that I love.

                            A spoken word version of the piece you've posted was played frequently on some alternative radio stations here about 18 months ago. I had no idea that it was KV.
                            Last edited by Peter Voice; Aug-20-2004, 05:02 AM.
                            Every-one should watch their drawers!
                            http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/

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                            • Butterfly Man
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2000
                              • 1606

                              #15
                              Favorite things from America

                              You should try our crow ... it's delicious.

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