RANT HERE

[Evan Young]

Ok, fair enough. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Danny Hustle]

[quote]Originally posted by le pire:
<strong>taken from www.drugabuse.gov :

including manic-like symptoms leading to violence. Researchers report also that users may suffer from paranoid jealousy, extreme irritability, delusions, and impaired judgment stemming from feelings of invincibility.

[ 02-06-2003: Message edited by: le pire ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ya’ know, I’ve oft wondered about this phenomena. In the 80’s I ran a commercial photography studio and a big part of my job was taking pictures of “The Beautiful People” men and women. A lot of the guys were on steroids and fit this bill.

My unanswered question was, “Is it the steroids, or were these guys always assholes?” The reason I asked was because a lot of the thin more androgynous male (?) models exhibited many of the same symptoms.

Hmmm…

Anyway.

Best,

Dan-

[Evan Young]

I know from experience that cortozone, (an anti inflamitory sterioid, different from anobolic steroids, but still holding the many of the same side effects), does deffinetly affect your mood in the ways described. I've only had cortozone shots twice but both times I have noticably felt those symptoms for at least an hour or two later in the same day. It doesn't feel bad, it's kind of a rush.

I can also say that performing successfull shows every day in stressfull conditions can give you a big ego and make you an asshole with simalar symptoms. Getting lots of attention in general can make you an ego asshole. The head chef at the resteraunt I'm cooking at currently has all of these character traits and then some, but he is deffinetly not doing any drugs other than pot, nor is he beutifull. He's just an only child from a rich family, he knows how to brag, and now he's in a high profile, high stress, position of "power". He takes every chance he can get to yell at the servers and house managers an tries to get them in trouble. He has betrayed my trust on several occasions and thought it didn't matter. He still thinks he is my friend, and he is so wrong.

Also, regular use of cocaine can have simalar effects on your mood, according to the government.

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[Rich Potter]

According to the government, smoking marijuana will make black men rape white women. Well, the government used to say that. But now we can look back on such contentions and laugh at how silly people were to believe an obvious agenda. Now of course, people are much more smart. (tongue sits and cheek and waits it out)

I don't disagree that snorting cocaine habitually can make you an asshole -- or at least augment those parts of you that are already an asshole -- but let's not take the government too seriously. Didn't they recommend burning the city in order to save it?

--Rich

[Evan Young]

Thank you for beating my point into the ground. [img]smile.gif[/img] I mean, thanks for explaining it.

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[le pire]

Effeminate guys can be bitches, but there is a distinct difference between a lithe fairy being a jerk and a guy who has biceps the size of tree trunks being a jerk.


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Many of the people who post and lurk on this forum perform successful shows under stressful conditions. I've worked with several of them, and I have found that they, contrary to theory, are the nicest people on the planet.

They do not develop a superiority complex, but rather a sense of self confidence. They are well aware of the journey they made to get where they are - every five club juggler once fumbled with three bean bags, and most of the people who do cruise ships and theatres started out on the streets, or as birthday entertainers.

Material success is the thinnest excuse for being an ass-hole. In fact, material success is why someone should be nice.

There are those who believe that by being a jerk to others, they will retain their "power" and in some cases they will. But sooner or later, a bigger jerk will come along.


étienne

[Evan Young]

Etienne,
Believe it or not, I agree with you on just about every point. Especially on your last post.
It's just that when I walked up to Jason in Madison and talked to him, he was really nice.
Remember Roberts thread about how you become what your audience wants you to be? I think that is Jason's deal. In Madison he did the prelims for the compotitions to make people think he was actually competing, adding to the anticipation of the show. His prelims show was in a balerina character, halarious. I think his character is just that, a character. Robert's an asshole on stage too, but we all know he's really nice. He once dubbed me "the rebel without a clue" at a renagade show, and I was scared to death of him after that until I met him in different circumstances. I don't think Jason deservs rumors of drug abuse.
But, all is fair in love and war, and I guess juggling is prolly is both. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[le pire]

Hey Evan,

I guess I just had a different experience. I met Jason at Montreal and he was a complete jerk. I was really shocked-- usually people of THAT skill level are nice, ESPECIALLY at conventions where they are "amongst their own kind."

I remember walking into the gym and seeing Jason doing a BEAUTIFUL seven club cascade.

1) I had never been to an IJA convention

2) I had never seen a 7 club cascade

I went up to him later in the day, when he wasn't juggling, and introduced myself and told him how amazing it was to see such achievement. He gave me one of the nastiest looks I've ever received, scoffed and walked away. I went back to hang out with the other frenchies and thought "maybe I just caught him at a bad moment."

Then I see him onstage, Then I hear about all this shit he stirs up with in the IJA, then I see the letters he writes to juggle magazine, then I see his website, then I see a video of him congratulating himself on the renagade stage, and I think "maybe my first impression was right, he is an ass hole."

Robert's character is mean, but there is a deep love of humanity underneath it all, and you can see it. You can feel it - that's why he's funny. I was a big fan of Robert's work long before I had ever met him.

Jason - he is dedicated to juggling, obsessed even, but I don't know if I would use the word love. I guess we would have to ask him. It seems to me that juggling is a weapon for him. He say in his Bio that he learned to juggle when his older brother did, and he wanted to "crush" him. Older brothers typically beat up younger brothers, so this would come as no surprise. That Jason, in turn, wants to crush every other male out there... well. Hmmmm.

I'm not a big fan of alpha type personalities in general. Ted Nugent, Mike Tyson, Garfield... they've all got something in common and I can do without it.

Look, I'm not offended or personally insulted by his brayings because I'm another juggler. I'm confident in my own abilities and work towards strengthening my flaws. That there exists someone more skilled than me-- no surprises at all. I don't juggle in order to prove to the rest of the world I'm a man. I juggle because I love juggling, and no one, not even Jason Garfield, can take that away from me.

As far as Jason "deserving" the rumours of drug abuse-- I don't know what he deserves but if he's going to sling shit at the IJA and EVERY OTHER JUGGLER, I think shit should be slung back at him. I think it's a bit irresponsible of me to post nasty things on a public forum like this, however. Who knows who could be lurking about and reading all this crap I write. Ah well, if they want to hate me for this then let 'em. If they don't hate me for this, they'll find something.

When you want to hate someone, you can find a reason. It's easy.


étienne

[Peter Voice]

I thought Robert and I were the only pharmacolgists here but it seems lots of people are running independent research projects everywhere.

I find the ill-informed drug related insinuations very, very boring.

Juggler competitiveness is even duller.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

[quote]Originally posted by Butterfly Man:
<strong>Jason is misunderstood ...


I'm not sure who his mother is but I'm proud to be his father.</strong><hr></blockquote>


We can narrow it down, because the juggling skills are obviously from her side...

[Butterfly Man]

Does your mother really juggle that well? ... it was so dark and the bleachers were in the way so there was no way for me and the rest of the team to tell.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

Hey, that was a low blow. Speaking of low blows, how's your mom, anyway? I wasn't gonna bring her into this, but she's so good in bed. But hey, you know that first hand.

We're not gonna do this, are we? Jesus, I don't even know where I put the gloves.

[Danny Hustle]

[quote]Originally posted by le pire:
<strong>Effeminate guys can be bitches, but there is a distinct difference between a lithe fairy being a jerk and a guy who has biceps the size of tree trunks being a jerk.


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The only difference to me is I wouldn't take a swing at a "lithe fairy" who was being an asshole.

An asshole is an asshole. Guys with tree trunk arms tend to be physically bullying and intellectually demeaning to others and "lithe fairies" tend to be just intellectually demeaning to others.

To the person being made sport of one doesn't make them feel any better than the other.

Best,

Dan-

[Butterfly Man]

[quote]Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix:

We're not gonna do this, are we? Jesus, I don't even know where I put the gloves.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Meet me by the limerick racks at 3 o'clock ... [img]mad.gif[/img]

[jugglermatt1]

Jims a rotten bastard for telling me to get another MD player ."you should always carry a spare player incase the one your using breaks down " said he .Well today my Mini Disc broke during a big important school show .Never had any problems before .Your kind of help I can do without Jim