Out yourself here!

[Bri]

Hey Stephon and Todd.. Get out of my room!

Yes I have to admit, The Cowguys are gay.
Especially Jon, he's really gay (and he never reads anything on p.net) I'm just sort of gay. To add to Jon's sexual confusion, his girlfriend forces him to watch Barbara Streisand, and Judy Garland movies. He can actually name a number of musical movies that Judy Garland is in. If that ain't gay then I don't know what is.

[Stephon]

I can confirm that Brian isn't gay--he gives a blow job like a straight guy.

[Todd]

I know Brian is not gay, 'cause he giggles every time I kiss him.
But he can juggle and chew gum like a madman.
Brains partner on the other hand is exploring horti-sexuality. It's as messy as itsounds especially when you get the gardening equipment involved

[Prof Willie B]

What an interesting subject and what an astounding amount of mindless crap (over 60 posts) from a group of people I always thought of as worldly.
I'm a 24 year old lesbian, big deal. It means nothing compared to my competence. Why waste time with innuendo about each other's sexuality.

The issue is especially interesting for me because of other aspects, I'm particularly androgenous and can play either boy or girl. I can (but don't) do a great escape from the "Smeggy Old Mailbag" routine, stolen from Nick and improved by Petra, with an added twist. I enter the bag as a guy and emerge as a chick. What I want to know is, why does it only work one way?
If I do the show as a chick then turn into a guy, it dies.
Schafftd (the character)is a pedantic middle aged male lecturer, so I'm doing a sort of drag act.
I've cringed at the homosexual innuendo in some people's shows and laughed myself silly at other's. I'm also astounded at the difference between what a male and a female performer can get away with, sensually as well as sexually. Believe me, I have a unique perspective.
The boy's(as opposed to men) seem a lot more interested in each others private habits than the rest of us might like to know.

But then, I like to play with my Willie too.


[This message has been edited by Prof Willie B (edited 12-02-2001).]

[Bri]

Don't get me started about the garden eqiupment. It's been the bane of my existance. I've actually had to limit the amount of stuff he can bring on tour. Before we leave for tours I can be hear uttering things like "Three GArden weaseals? Isn't one enough??" and "75ft of garden hose?!!? We're only going away for three days!"

Mindless Crap Indeed! This is the reason that the Blah Blah Blah section of p.net is the most popular!

[Butterfly Man]

Garden weasels aside, the Professor poses a truly worthy question as to the differences perceived by the audience with regard to gender.
Here’s my take on it. It seems to be rather more complicated for female performers considering there is a commonly held belief that performing is an inherently powerful, perhaps even aggressive thing to do. Since most cultures (alas) still feel more comfortable empowering men than women, most audiences don’t feel comfortable entrusting women with that power.
I have seen all too few female comics and even fewer variety performers out there breaking those stereotypical misconceptions. People like Kate the Great, Petra Massey, Tash Wesp et al are to be applauded for their courage to ‘go where no man has gone before’.

[Stephon]

Well, Prof., lesbianism is far more acceptable than male homosexuality in modern Western culture. So, if we "boys" are having fun exploring the topic humorously in the safe and (supposedly) supportive environment of p.net, I don't think there's really any harm.

I'm sorry you find it unwordly; perhaps you'd have better luck in the "Jokes" thread.




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Cheers,
~Stephon

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

I get it, prof, but we are a mix.
Worldly /Sophmoric.
Never know which is at the helm.
Loveable as hell, though.

It could be argued that the boy to girl transformation is more in keeping with what crowds consider to be evolutionary progress. No matter how you slice it, girl insides are more complex than boy insides. Celebrate it.

Give 'em credit too, those damn buckpitching punters have a keen sense of what is real. They might know, even though you be extraordinary (haven't seen your act) which switch reveals the real you. Perhaps one dims, one brightens.

[Jenny]

I relish the cross-gender nature of my experience. And I savor the worldly/sophmoric contamination even more.

The scarcity of public solo female personas is one of the things that most inspires me to perform.

Now can we go back to the orgy of sexual innuendo, or do I have to start a new topic?

I STILL want to know the answer to this question:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Airborne Dan:

Triona, do you think homosexuality is a choice or something you're born to be?


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[Prof Willie B]

I've been who I am for longer than I've understood myself, let alone other people's differences. I don't think there ever was a "choice". I think our sexual preferences are established long before we understand them.
Mind you, I'm enjoying my research and would like to take this opportunity encourage every-one to continue to educate themselves. Study and practice, all of you.

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[Triona]

Jenny,

I believe it is a choice and not genetically predisposed. I feel it is nuture and not nature that defines who we are sexually. I think it has alot to do with our early relationships with our parents. My best friend was gay (he died two years ago), and he had a terrible relationship with his mother (she mentally and emotionally abused him as a child). I have another friend who is a lesbian who had a really bad relationship with her father. I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but most homosexual people I've met have had very bad relationships with members of the opposite sex at some point in their life.

Back to the outing!

[Scot Free]

"Triona, do you think homosexuality is a choice or something you're born to be?"

This question is a false dilemma. A or B can not be answered if there is a C or D or E...I think I understand the spirit of the question though and will add my 2cents on the topic. I believe we (everyone) "is" gay to a degree. If you think in terms of sexuality on a continuum people slide up and down, side to side, day to day, year to year based on how they feel about others, socialization, cultural conditioning and genetic pre-disposition.
For me it is not a question of "gay" or not "gay" (another false dilemma)but rather what are my preferences or attractions today and will I allow myself to express them regardless of how I have been socialized. will I repress and hide the feelings and make fun of others (or worse) who do not, to mask myself from being discovered or admitting to myself that I am attracted to the same sex on occation.
Today I prefer to have opposite sex sexual experiences but I will admit to same sex attraction and even fanaticizes. If the day comes that the attraction is stronger than my conditioned fear I may act in a perfectly natural way.
You are what you do.
you are what you think.
Which one is true? Both? Is there another possibility?

[Jim]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Triona:
Jenny,

I believe it is a choice and not genetically predisposed. I'm not saying this is true for everyone, but most homosexual people I've met have had very bad relationships with members of the opposite sex at some point in their life.

Oh boy. I can't wait for replies to this. Triona, that's one of the most inflammatory things I've read on this board in a long time!

Granted, it's your opinion.... If you want to have some real fun, go post that on a message board in a gay community. Watch the flames fly.

Jim

P.S. Did you ever stop to think that the reason gay people have difficult relationships with their parents is because of the parents' homophobia? How many gay people have been disowned by their parents becasue they simply can't deal with a gay child? I think that's the parent's problem and not the child's.

[Oh shit, I hope no one thinks I'm gay because I'm defending gay people... ]

[Triona]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Originally posted by Jim:
P.S. Did you ever stop to think that the reason gay people have difficult relationships with their parents is because of the parents' homophobia? How many gay people have been disowned by their parents becasue they simply can't deal with a gay child? I think that's the parent's problem and not the child's.

[Oh shit, I hope no one thinks I'm gay because I'm defending gay people... ]

The comment I made was not intended to be inflammatory. Most of the people I'm referring to had problems with their parents long before they had made any choices about their sexual preferences. Yes, I know about the disowing and crap. My best friend's mother tried to have him kidnapped and "re-programmed" to cure him. She even tried to bribe me to marry him to get him over "his problem" (did I mention that his folks were born again christians and his grandparents were ministers in the church)

I don't understand why any gay person would support the "born that way" theory. If the society as a whole accepted that, scientist would work until they found the "gay" gene and then parents could have testing done so they could "eliminate" what society (not me) perceives as a defect. That would be a crime in itself as some of the most creative people I've met were gay.

I wonder how many of the "born that way" gays really had a bad early relationships with one or both of their parents, that they just don't want to admit to or accept. I'm sure a scientist or sociologist somewhere has done or is doing a study on this.

Oh well, I don't really care either way. I just deal with people as they are.

[Chance]

[Oh shit, I hope no one thinks I'm gay because I'm defending gay people... ][/B][/QUOTE]

Does this mean you're taking back that nice little pat on my butt, Jim?