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  • Rootberry
    Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 88

    T.S.A Kicking us while we're down

    "Those who would give up essential liberty purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Widely credited to Benjamin Franklin.)

    I cannot think of a time in our nations history when we were more humbled, more vulnerable and more susceptible than after the earth shattering events of 9/11. Nobody knew what would happen in the days and months that surrounded 9/11. America simply had the wind knocked out of her and would not soon recover to her former state of glory. So what did government do in regards to that horrible day? Lets see, they further stripped us of our civil rights, they marginalize us and they condemned their own citizens. First they started a government work program called the TSA (Takes Stuff Away or Thousands Standing Around). With that the government eliminated a great number of private sector jobs and transformed those jobs into the TSA, they then claimed they had created thousands of jobs (what they did not tell you is the same people who were working airport security before 9/11 were now the same people TSA employed. Don’t get me wrong not all of the nearly 50,000 TSA agents were private security agents before 9/11 a lot of them have been hired because the government does not do things as efficiently as the private sector so they needed more bodies (not brains). They gave the agents new uniforms a new shiny badge and a huge false sense of power. They stripped us by our dignity by stripping us of our shoes and they instituted “random” searches of suspected “evil” people. Here’s a little story to help you understand my feelings about the TSA definition of random.

    On October 7th 2008 at about 7:30 a.m. TSA agents “randomly” stopped me, at my gate (not at the screening area). I asked, “Why I was being stopped, I was told it was random.” The T.S.A agent (Miguel*) said, “what do you think random is?” I said, "if all our names were placed in a hat and someone drew out a name that would be somewhat random. "Miguel then started an argument with me; He said that when he chooses people it was random. I don’t want to split hairs here but the definition of random is: “made, done, happening, or chosen without method or conscious decision” When a T.S.A agents choose people they make their decision to choose people based on their own life experience, fears, and prejudices. I was lied to when they said it was random, I was specifically chosen by a person’s conscious decision. When I asked more questions about why I was selected Miguel (the T.S.A.) agent threatened to call a manager so as he said, “I would miss my flight.” He accused me of not cooperating even though I was cooperating in every way shape and form (I was just trying to clarify what they believed random was), then out of nowhere Yahaira**, Miguel co-worker said, “don’t answer his questions just call a manager.” I cooperated in everyway possible with their request to search my personal property. When I walked away I overheard Yahaira call me a derogatory name.
    The T.S.A agents threatened to make me miss my flight because I asked why I was selected for screening. They did not find anything I was not allowed to fly with. They simply served as government agents who inconvenience, berated, and verbally harass me. If a police officer where to stop you in your vehicle they are “required*” to have probable cause to search your belongings but the airport is a freedom free zone.
    Is this the price we’ve paid to relinquish our fears? Sometimes I try and give you something to think about. In this case my goal is to encourage you to think for yourself and to make you realize that TSA, is a government work program, they do not want you asking questions, because the truth shall set you free. My story is not especially unique, it’s just one of the thousands of instances where the TSA has abused their power. Please add your own thoughts and stories about TSA. I’d love to read them.


    *Miguel’s badge number is 80653 and he works at the Orlando airport.
    *Yahaira badge number is 05104. She also works at the Orlando airport.

    Written by: Jonathan Root
  • miquee
    Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 84

    #2
    well this isn't in an airport or even in the states but i was randomly stopped by italian cops during the summer and i wrote this a while back...

    I'm back in Turin. 4 months and 6 countries later, i'm happily sitting at the desk, surrounded by 4 speakers of music, writing this. The fridge... yes the fridge! an invention made in heaven... has beer in it. So do I. Anyway... What a trip. Before I get to the beginning, I'd like to begin with the end...or near the end to be precise.
    I'm sitting in the back of my van, next to a river, in the countryside in Tuscany. Yes the region heralded in all the american travel magazines as THE place to go in Italy. (outside of its aesthetic, I've never been thrilled about tuscany. I find it snobby, overpriced, and overrated. Now, don't get me wrong, it is gorgeous and the food exquisite, and they are the masters of the blaspheme. It's more of a comma. a typical sentence goes like this. "Pig God, I just saw, whore Eve, a really nice, God Beast, pair of shoes, Mother of that son-of-a-whore dick of a son jesus christ pig God" It doesn't have the same poetry in English but it's definetly funnier.) So I'm in a beautiful scenic tuscan countryside, just like one imagines it from all the magazines. Heaps of green hills with vineyards etc. etc. enjoying a cigarette that wasn't only a cigarette, in the comfort and safety of my green van when "Bap Bap Bap" goes the back window. I turn and see only a hand holding a pistol. I not so calmly thought "What the fuck!" just in time to see the head of an italian policeman. A "carabiniere". It's the military branch of the police force. (There's like 46 types of cop here) The carabinieri are the butt of all italian jokes. In the states we have blonds and the polish(does anybody know how that got started? why the polish?), in France the belgians, in England the Irish, and in Italy the stupid people jokes are about their police. I liked Italy better when I learned that. Total nationwide disrespect for the law. Some regions can just barely communicate with others in a language that resembles italian, yet they each giggle over carabinieri jokes in their dialect. Sooo... I see the head and shortly thereafter hear "Carabinieri!" repeated forcefully a few times. "I'm coming out" i forcefully said, while hysterically (but with a calm exterior) snubbed my happy cigarette out with my fingers(burning them) and hastily opened the door. Three feet from my head there's the hole of the end of the pistol and ten feet to my left a 25 year old (who probably still lives with his mom) pointing a machine gun (similar to an uzi but longer with two handles) at me. The first that came to me to say was "I didn't know Tuscany was this dangerous" so I said it. "Are you alone?" was his response. well, as a matter of fact "No, I'm with my friend" and out came my female friend. "We just parked to make out a bit" I I ingeniosly stated.
    Well... He asked for my I.D. so I gave him my Irish passport(written in irish and english). Then he said "Drivers licence" so i handed that over. It's a pennsylvania drivers license. At this point I get even more nervous because my license is expired. It expired 8/1/08. Now in europe they reverse the month and day right? so for him its the eighth of january. either way it expired. but before he noticed he asked for the van registration. My van is registered in switzerland so it's written in german. So he's in the car radioing in my info for like ten minutes when he sticks his head out and says your license expired the eighth of january. I responded, "In the states we reverse the numbers" he smiled and said "oh yeah, I knew that" then continues radioing in numbers. Now, it's the twelfth of september. I have an temporary extension which validated it to the 8th of september. i had planned on explaining that when he first mentioned it was expired but as he seemed content with the first answer and actually hadn't sorted out that it was expired, i didn't think it too clever to insist. but, after another two minutes passed, he sticks his head out (not smiling anymore) and says "it's expired anyway"
    So i brought the peice of paper which validates it until the 8th. it's the 13th. I translate what it says, lying, and he accepts what i say.
    He gives me back my documents and says "have fun" Then they just got on the car and left. I was dumbstruck by how dumb they were. Life follows art.

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    • Jim
      Administrator
      • Dec 2000
      • 1096

      #3
      Root,

      I f-ing HATE the TSA and the whole charade of "security" they are trying to display. Not one terrorist has been caught at the airport security line since 9/11/01. Not ONE. Yet we all have to take off our shoes and pour out our water and for some reason, 3.5 ounces of shampoo could take down the entire plane, but 3 ounces is perfectly safe. It's all bullshit to create the illusion of safety.

      In Boston, there are subway police swabbing and checking bags for explosives in the stations. My wife, who is whiter than white and about 100 pounds, was stopped last week and had her bag searched before she could enter the subway. Not only did she miss the next train, but she felt totally violated.

      They take your fingerprints at Disneyworld for fuck sakes!

      The thing is, in all these situations, they get away with it because you're setting foot onto their property. Unfortunately, the airline has every right to allow or deny anyone they want from flying on their planes, the MBTA has every right to stop someone from riding on their subway and same thing with Disney.

      The only way to avoid the security shakedown is to avoid those places. I refused to have my fingerprints zapped when I went to Disney a couple years ago. I just said, "No." They took me aside, looked at my ID, looked at my ticket and let me go. If I had been brown or wearing a turban, it might not have been so easy. I have not been searched at the subway in Boston yet, but the day they ask me to open my bag before getting on the subway is the day I ask for a refund and walk out the door.

      Flying SUCKS. I avoid it at all costs. I really hate being treated like a potential terrorist before I get on a plane. Unfortunately, they can do whatever they want because it's their plane. And you have no freedom on their turf.

      Bruce Schneier says it concisely:

      "Counterterrorism in the airport is a show designed to make people feel better," he said. "Only two things have made flying safer: the reinforcement of cockpit doors, and the fact that passengers know now to resist hijackers." This assumes, of course, that al-Qaeda will target airplanes for hijacking, or target aviation at all. "We defend against what the terrorists did last week," Schneier said. He believes that the country would be just as safe as it is today if airport security were rolled back to pre-9/11 levels. "Spend the rest of your money on intelligence, investigations, and emergency response."
      Great article from The Atlantic: As we stood at an airport Starbucks, Schneier spread before me a batch of fabricated boarding passes for Northwest Airlines flight 1714, scheduled to depart at 2:20 p.m. and arrive at Reagan National at 5:47 p.m. He had taken the liberty of upgrading us to first class, and had even granted me “Platinum/Elite Plus” status, which was gracious of him. This status would allow us to skip the ranks of hoi-polloi flyers and join the expedited line, which is my preference, because those knotty, teeming security lines are the most dangerous places in airports: terrorists could paralyze U.S. aviation merely by detonating a bomb at any security checkpoint, all of which are, of course, entirely unsecured. (I once asked Michael Chertoff, the secretary of Homeland Security, about this. “We actually ultimately do have a vision of trying to move the security checkpoint away from the gate, deeper into the airport itself, but there’s always going to be some place that people congregate. So if you’re asking me, is there any way to protect against a person taking a bomb into a crowded location and blowing it up, the answer is no.”) ...

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      • Butterfly Man
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2000
        • 1606

        #4
        Ouch

        Flying from Athens to Rhodes a security agent pulled a comb from my prop case... it was one of those cute combs that open like a butterfly knife ... always got a laugh ... but this time and nobody was laughing.

        Fuck!

        Him: "You are not allowed to carry a knife on the airplane."

        Me: Uh, it's not a knife ....

        Him: "Sign this paper (saying this knife is yours) and it will be returned to you in Rhodes."

        Me: "It's a comb"

        Him: "Sign this paper and we will return at the end of the flight." (putting comb in a baggie)

        Me: It says I'm attempting to carry a knife aboard an airplane ... it's not a knife, it's a comb."

        Him: "Sign (points) here....we will return knife to you."

        Me: "No"

        Him: "Sign"

        Me: "I'm not signing anything."

        Him:"We will confiscate"

        Me: "It's yours ... be careful, don't cut yourself."

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        • Rachel Peters
          Moderator
          • Nov 2005
          • 1396

          #5
          I have a friend who is extremely good looking and *ahem* well endowed.
          She was "randomly" chosen to take a few steps to the side of the line up and lift her shirt.

          ...she said no, they let her move on.
          There was no need.
          Well, maybe I WILL just keep telling myself that.

          www.rachelpeters.com

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          • scot
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2000
            • 1169

            #6
            airport or bourbon street, Rachel?

            as far as the whole "the man sucks" basis of this thread, I've decided to treat it like a law of nature and figure out how to get the most out of less "freedom."

            It's not like it's anything new and I feel like a retard when I know the game yet complain about the rules. If you're planning on starting a revolution, go for it, but you don't need encouragement for this late-stage inactivism.

            Make it funny like Robert's story.
            Last edited by scot; Jan-13-2009, 04:57 PM.

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            • Rachel Peters
              Moderator
              • Nov 2005
              • 1396

              #7
              aaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiir porT
              Well, maybe I WILL just keep telling myself that.

              www.rachelpeters.com

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              • jeep caillouet
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 752

                #8
                Come on down, I'll take you sailing there's no t.s.a.,just Walt And he's just a grumpy old f@#$. You'll see!

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                • Ryan Dekoe
                  Member
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 29

                  #9
                  TSA... Here is a good one.

                  Flying to Mexico, we got fined $12,000 for BIC lighters in our check-on!

                  -Had to lawyer up for that one...

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                  • Frisbee
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2000
                    • 753

                    #10
                    this is an airline issue and not t.s.a. but man oh man....those baggage fees keep going up...now to fly with my props it is an additional $165 each way...that is almost more than the flight itself...

                    $15 for first bag
                    $25 for 2nd bag

                    $125 for overweight fee between 50 and 70 lbs (up from $50 last month)

                    and if both bags are over weight that is $290 each way....

                    YIKES!!!!!!!

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                    • Evan Young
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2001
                      • 1002

                      #11
                      US air charges $2 for an inflight soda...
                      I can understand charging for inflight drinks in order to cut costs, but make it reasonable. $1, and I would buy a soda every time, at $2 I just go thirsty out of spite.

                      I haven't had any problems with the TSA at all. I have a nice collection of those inspection cards they leave behind in checked bags. I've been flying a lot recently, and I have my system down.

                      I do think it's funny to see the difference between weekday at the airports and weekends (business vs holiday travelers). On the weekends there are still people who are amazed that they have to take off their shoes and can't bring a bottle of water. I saw some chick miss her flight because she packed 80lbs of cloths and wasn't prepared to pay the baggage fee (friday night). Weekday baggage claim = my prop cases and some golf clubs from some retired guy. Weekend baggage claim = the entire flight with their toes pressed against the belt watching it as if it were the last line of blow at an 80's party, thinking that if nobody can get through them it will make their bags come up first.

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                      • martin ewen
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2000
                        • 1887

                        #12
                        I love the fact they're thick as pigshit.

                        I always seed my luggage with those mini-bics, just a couple here and there. They seem to pass through some preset 'volume of gas recognising' thing on the x ray machine.

                        I've had staff select me and go through my carry on, they get all triumphant when they find one. Their faces light up and for that one bright shiny moment everything they've ever trained for galvanises into a moment of fruitful bliss. "Got one!" they yell, and brandish the inch long lighter. Then they look at me mock sorrowfully, "we're going to have to confiscate this."

                        I try and look put out, it's the least I can do. They always stop looking after the first one.

                        ---
                        Coming back from a friends place, [let's hypothetically call him Robert] I have a little knob of head in my pocket. I'm only catching a local 20 min flight from one side of the..[lets call it a peninsular or isthmus ]

                        So I'm asking myself. leave it in the pocket? put it in my carry on? I settle for popping it down my sock, around the ankle area I have a bit of a bump.

                        They select me at random. [this might have to do with the fact my carry-on bag is from some grab-bag at a conference and has explicit advertising for morphine suppositories blazened across it...or not, you wouldn't want to read too much into these folk]

                        They search my bag pretty well, [oops they find a lighter] I have to empty my pockets and they pat them down. Then the 18 year old gingerly gropes the length of my legs, stops just above the ankle.

                        I wouldn't want these people watering my plants or operating heavy equipment anywhere near me but employ them at airports and give them a parody of respect and they are harmless really. It keeps them out of the rain they would not have the sense to stay out of otherwise.

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