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  • Ryan Dekoe
    Member
    • Jan 2005
    • 29

    hack?

    I found this a few months ago. It is a small part of a larger "Hack Alert" on Jason Garfield's website.



    I wondered for a long time what other performers (jugglers or not) might think about it.

    -Ryan

    >WHO'S A HACK?

    The following are routines that are too old to pinpoint who originally
    created them. However, in the juggling community, if you are performing
    these routines you are considered to be at least partly a hack.
    The percentage of your entire act that is made up of hack material
    determines the percentage of how much of a hack you are.


    1. Juggling while eating an apple.
    2. Passing around a volunteer and knocking something out of their mouth.
    3. Juggling Chainsaws
    4. Juggling Knives
    5. Juggling fire (Torches)


    Whereas these bits may be hack, some performers have created their own
    lines to accompany the hack bits. In this case, some credit is given,
    depending on how creative they have been with the old premise. However,
    most jugglers have stolen the premise and the stock lines that go with
    them or have stolen someone else's creative new lines to accompany the
    old routine. It has become as easy as learning how to juggle 3 objects,
    a beginners level, and then memorizing someone else's lines and you
    too can be a hack juggler and work on cruise ships.
    This is unacceptable.

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    LIES/DECEIT/DECEPTION

    Some performers lie about their accomplishments. Some will say that the world record for the most amount of balls juggled is 7 or even 5, so that they can give you the illusion that they can juggle the most objects and are important. Below are the current juggling records you should memorize:

    Balls/ beanbags: 10 juggled, 12 flashed
    Rings: 11 juggled 13 flashed (with gloves on)
    Clubs (The things you think are bowling pins) 8 juggled
    This website does not recognize the juggling or flashing of sticks.
    Why not straws or slivers of hay? Let's draw the line somewhere.
    Most hack jugglers juggle no more than 5 balls and 4 clubs. Most good jugglers perform the juggling of 7 balls, 7 rings and 5 clubs. An exceptional few perform 9-10 rings and 7 clubs. Nobody can juggle 30 balls. And tell your stupid kid that a million isn't possible either.

    Myths that performers will try to get you to believe:
    Juggling Fire is dangerous.

    No, juggling while you are on fire is dangerous. Unless you douse yourself in gas before juggling, there is no risk of danger while juggling torches, even if you catch the torch on the wrong end. If you continue to hold it after you've caught it on the wrong end, that could hurt. So don't do that.

    Juggling Knives is dangerous

    Well, if you actually juggle sharp knifes or machettes, there is more of a danger factor than juggling torches. However, 99% of jugglers juggle dull knives which are almost safer to catch on the blade. If you are juggling sharp knives, unless you're a crappy juggler, juggling 3 or 4 knives is not any harder than juggling 3 or 4 clubs, hence is not dangerous. If someone were to juggle 5 sharp knives, depending on their skill level I may say, "That's kind of dangerous." But no less than 5.

    Juggling chainsaws is dangerous.

    If you go through the trouble to rig the trigger so that the chain is actually running while you juggle them, yeah, juggling chainsaws is dangerous, especially if you do 5. However, much like knives, jugglers who juggle chainsaws juggle them while the motor is running, but not the blade. Regardless, jugglers who juggle chainsaws are only doing so to compensate for their lack of technical ability and / or to lengthen their show with a standard crowd pleaser. It is more difficult to juggle three chainsaws than it is to juggle three clubs because they are usually heavier, but not harder than juggling 5 balls.

    Juggling Bowling Balls is Hard and/or Dangerous

    Only if you don't know how to juggle. Most jugglers juggle the lightest bowling balls on the planet, some have them custom made to be light. If benji holds more than 1.5 pounds at a time per hand his wrists snap like the wrist of a 5 year old boy with her hand stuck in the spokes of a Harly Davidson as it tests its 0-60. So juggling bowling balls is performed as if it is difficult, but it is not. Sorry.

    To summarize, when you see a person juggling torches, knives, chainsaws, bowling balls or fruit, it is not dangerous, it is not difficult. They tell you so, and you believe it because I am not there to tell you otherwise. Ask them if juggling 7 balls or 5 clubs behind the back is more difficult than their stunts and tell me what they say. If they say no, they're lying. Also let me just add that a juggler who juggles dangerous props does not make a more skilled juggler, just one who doesn't want to practice anymore and would rather fool the audience into thinking that he is better than he is with the same skill level. I.E. A juggler juggles 3 clubs. Another juggler juggles 3 clubs with 8 ounce nuclear bombs attached to them. Same skill level.

    One is more nervous than the other,

    and so is his audience.
  • Stephon
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2001
    • 651

    #2
    Well, I'm not a juggler, but I'd rather watch an entertaining show with bowling ball, chainsaw, and fire juggling, than some technician how goes ten minutes juggling 8 balls, then 8 balls behind his back, then 10 rings, then 10 rings in a different pattern, then 5 clubs, then 5 clubs behind his back in a different pattern, and so on.

    I've seen world-class jugglers and been bored to death, and I've seen average jugglers and had a terrific time watching them.

    Entertainment value trumps technical ability.

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    • Butterfly Man
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2000
      • 1606

      #3
      hack flax

      Thanks for posting this ... I really think everyone should go find Jason Garfield (he's the one wearing the shirt 2 sizes too small for him) and ask him to spew out more of his sparkling wisdom about the variety arts.

      I'll tell you this ... besides myself, I have never met a more insecure individual than Jason Garfield ... all that time spent alone in the gym really paid off though ... for me anyway, cuz I got to fuck his girlfriend once while he was practicing.

      I'm not trying to put the asshole down but I hear that the more balls you can keep in the air is inversely proportional to the size of your dick but directly proportional to the amount of acne on your back.

      Hey, Jason has worked hard to earn the respect of lonely, uncoordinated prepubescent little German boys and I hope the best for him ... I guess that would be to be listed in the Guinness Book of World Records just underneath the 73 pound rooster named "Weirdo".
      Wow, I sure wish I could have done that with my life instead of just making a lot of people laugh.

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      • le pire
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2001
        • 1113

        #4
        The standards of Jason Garfield is hardly the metric that I would use for any act.

        That being said, I just (literally JUST) had a conversation with a friend and I asked him "should I spend the next year learning sword swallowing so I can juggle a flaming apple and finish by eating the knife? I think the thing my show lacks is giving the audience what they EXPECT of a juggling show. But I don't just want to give them what they expect, I want to take a left turn at the end."

        Steal that idea and I will FIND you... you sword swallowers who can juggle!!!!! (emoticon to indicate humour).


        I largely agree with Jason and personally I appreciate his snobbism. However...

        I have a knife juggling routine in my street / festival shows that I HATE because I consider it to be hack with original jokes-- however the audience loves it. It's a huge crowd builder, every time. It never fails. And I hate it but I have no choice but to use it because it's what the audience wants and expects to see: the illusion of danger.

        Juggling (or any performance skill, for that matter) is a language and very few people in the audience (if any) speak the language of juggling. And we can't expect them to. We have to translate our skills into their language.

        "Object transformation" is one of the juggler's tools. You take an ordinary object and manipulate it ways that no one has imagined. They think, "hey I have a hammer, and I can't do THAT with it!" Add the illusion of "I could be seriously injured" and there you go.

        Don't take my word for it, I think Simon Cowell says it better:



        The real question is this:

        What kind of audiences do you have?

        Are you a birthday party kind of juggler?

        Scarf juggling is AWESOME!

        Are you a local street act?

        Element of danger is a MUST and some technical skill is great for fans and conesseurs but not necessary for the tourists. Eat the friggin' apple. Juggle some knives and fire if it's permitted.

        Are you a national / international festival street act?

        Have all original jokes, and a strong character and some kick ass tricks that define you, but you will still need some of those "element of danger" bits.

        Caberet act?

        Very strong tricks and a strong character

        Cruise ship act?

        See caberet, and can you do your act on a stage that is heaving up and down? Also, you must be friendly 100% of the time.

        Circus act?

        Extremely strong tricks,who gives a shit about character, just wear the stupid costume and hit your marks.




        That's my take.



        etienne

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        • le pire
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2001
          • 1113

          #5
          shit Robert, I just spilled my coffee all over the keyboard I was laughing so hard.

          A year ago I was working with an organization and it was a particularly bad experience for everyone involved. After the contact ended and I was on a plane to England the thought that kept repeting in my head was "none of the fights were worth it. The ending was always going to be the same. We would all leave in the end. But now, we leave with anger and bitterness. Is that what we crave?"

          Laughter and lightness are what count. The measure of a heart is not how much you love, but how much you are loved by others.


          etienne

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          • nick nickolas
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2000
            • 528

            #6
            Just saw Manx and Gordo AKA The Gentlmen Freaks pass 6 fire torches while each having a sword down their throat !! Saw it today with my own eyes on the streets in Melbourne. Is that a first ?
            Nick

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            • le pire
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2001
              • 1113

              #7
              Saw a photo of Keith from the Bindlestiffs & another dude doing the same trick in Juggle Magazine a few years ago.

              It looks uncomfortable.

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              • jeep caillouet
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 752

                #8
                jugglers

                You think you guys could get one of them fancy jugglers to come to Key West. Our many, many jugglers just do 3 flaming clubs,watch me I'm better, give me all your money routines! No shit Nick, I guess Dale the sword swallower Would have to get a job if he saw that one .It takes him 30 minutes to swallow just one sword. And thats what he did 15 20 years ago when you where here .

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