Obituaries

[Patrick Kelly]

There sure has been a lot of arguing about what goes in this thread or that thread. It all seams pretty trivial and silly to me.

I do think someone should start a new myspace group for all of the possible fathers of her baby.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

We should not allow posting to curtain calls at whim because diluting that thread weakens it. There are few dead street performers, and there are many dead people. Suck it up, its easy enough to bemoan sundry dead elsewhere.

[pixiejester]

Well, it's a good job it's up to Jim and not you, Taxi. And I hope Jim does move this thread back to where it belongs.

And may I point out that the 'Curtain Calls' section is described as A place to remember fellow entertainers, friends, community members and heros who have passed on which means we may post whoever we feel falls under one of those catagories, even ANS, James Brown and Steve Irwin. All 'fellow entertainers' in thier own rights, they just dont fall under the catagory that you seem to think only exist, of street performers. There is nothing saying that it has to just be buskers or street performers. There are other kinds off entertainerment out there.


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[Mr.Taxi Trix]

No, young one, "A place to remember fellow entertainers, friends, community members and heros who have passed on" means "A place to remember fellow entertainers, friends, community members and heros who have passed on ", not "we may post whoever we feel falls under one of those catagories".

"Whoever we feel" could be, as in this case, dead wrong.

Nice try, though.

The thread was created to honor those from within our community who bought it. Why are you fighting to have people frfom outside our tribe listed? List away, just put them in blah blah blah.

[pixiejester]

Like I said, not up to you. No one else seemed to have a problem with it being there apart from you, as couple of them already said, it was the arguing in the thread they didn't like.

Members of this board should be able to put who ever they like in the obit thread.

If any-one also wishes to celebrate Anna's life they should also do so there, but the "Obits" is not a place to bag her or any-one. It's only manners.

My main objection was that any debate should not take place in our "Obits". The dignity of our friends and Anna's memories were devalued.

And please don't call me 'young one'

[pixiejester]

Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix
The thread was created to honor those from within our community who bought it. Why are you fighting to have people frfom outside our tribe listed? List away, just put them in blah blah blah.

Well, in that case the thread describtion should be 'A place to honor those from within our community' but it doesn't. It doesn't list any exclusions. And my reason why. It's disrespectful. This isn't a tribe, we're not living in your fantasty land. It's a forum, with real people with real feelings.

I could go on, I could tell you where I'd like to stick your orbit, but I'm not as low as you.

[pixiejester]

Jim, if you've read the ANS thread, you might have notcied people would like it moved back, but leaving the debating in this section, please could you make two threads. Putting Pablo's first post back and leaving the rest where it is.

[Mike Weakley]

Although I'm usually just a "lurker" here, I have to pipe in on this thread. I find it interesting that with so many people making such a fuss over this whole ANS issue, no one has had the balls to directly answer pixiejester's question...

"I have a question. Both James Brown and Steve Irwin are in the curtains calls section, how come no one has thrown a fit about them being there? They were not part of this forum.

Was it because ANS was a woman? Because she took her clothes off for a living? Because she belonged in 'Peoples Magazine'? Because she was 'gossipy' and the other two aren't? Why?"

There have been 17 replies to the Steve Irwin thread in the Curtain Calls section, and not a single one of them was a complaint about him being mentioned there; even though he wasn't a "busker" or "street performer." I believe there is nothing wrong with mentioning ANS in the Curtain Calls section. You may not agree with the way she lived her life, but so what? Does everyone agree with the way you live yours? Love her or hate her, you have to admit; she was entertaining. There's also nothing wrong with arguing if ANS was "worthy" of mentioning here on p-net. Just do THAT in the Blah, Blah, Blah section.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

Welcome, Mike. I directly answered her question in the post following. The Pixie is right. James Brown and Irwin do not belong in the "Curtain Calls" thread. The reason the line in the sand got drawn with ANS was doubtless that she employed no skills whatsoever in her non-existant act. She, of the three, most obviously did not belong.

I do not disagree with the way she lived her life. What do I care? I readily admit she was entertaining. It is beside the point. Etienne said it well on his first post protesting her inclusion.

"I really like this area of performers.net because it is an obituary section to people that amount to zero in the world of international celebrity, but none the less have made thousands of people happy by means of the craft they dedicate themselves to. People like you and me.

Let AOL news and all the tabloids do the obituarys of Anna Nicole, James Brown and Steve Irwin. Here, we can remember the passing of OUR brothers and sisters. Let's keep it that way."

Though it breaks my heart to say it, the tuba playing knucklehead is right as rain. Keep the thread for our
peers.

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

Don't touch that mouse, Jim.
I couldn't put it better than this distillation:

Originally posted by Doctor Eric
Curtain Calls is a place to remember fellow performers. I know a few of the people in Curtain Calls personally. Some of them could be considered to be total scumbags by polite members of normal society, and some were far more accomplished than the rest of us can hope to be, but all of them had one thing in common, they are of our ilk. Just because someone dies, that does not warrant respect.

Few things bug me more than pretend reverence.
Dying is not a ticket into that thread, and that is a good thing.

[Mike Weakley]

Thanks for the welcome, Taxi. The part of pixiejester's post that I was hoping someone would directly respond to was why hasn't anyone thrown a fit over James Brown & Steve Irwin being mentioned in Curtain Calls like they have with ANS. Was it because ANS was a woman, or that she took her clothes off for a living, or because she was gossipy?

No one has responded to that part of her question. Even you said that Mr. Brown & Irvin didn't belong in the Curtain Calls section, but no one made a fuss over it. Why? Is it because of one of the reasons pixiejester mentioned, or is it some other reason. None of them were buskers, steet performers, or part of this forum. Why did ANS get all the flack, but the other 2 never got any???

[Mr.Taxi Trix]

In short, she had no act.
So rare I get to quote myself!

Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix
The reason the line in the sand got drawn with ANS was doubtless that she employed no skills whatsoever in her non-existant act. She, of the three, most obviously did not belong.

Irwin would seem a distant cousin, at least, in his frequent odd stunts. James Brown, further, but he had an act, so I'd place him closer to us than ANS. Either one of those two could have, at least, held a crowd for an hour with skills they had learned.

[pixiejester]

Hey Mike, I'm glad someone read that part off my post. I was wondering how long it'd take before I got an answer

So the guys were better than ANS, that's still no reason to be disrespectful and trample all over the thread Pablo had made. If you have no respect for her, at least show some to your 'brother'

[Rachel Peters]

I would like to present my two cents, doing away with the sexism card once and for all. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. I'd like that question to be put to rest. It irritates me.

Irwin and Brown made incredible contributions to their fields. They made some differences in the world.

I think they're contributions deserved some recognition SOMEwhere, and I personally don't care where they happen to appear. I could care less about the internet protocol of virtual memorials. (but it probably has a little bit to do with the fact that I am also an outsider. I might feel more passionate about it otherwise.)

Smith just can't be compared to them. Apples & oranges. Goats and bowling balls. Ice cream and cat hair. ...mmmm.
Just as much as Fabio can't be compared to them.

I have nothing particularly against her. I never knew her. I can't judge what kind of person she was. ...But there's just no comparison.

That's all.
No more "is it because she's a woman" suggestions.

I think it's silly that people are judging each other because they think others are judging Smith.
As much as people tend to value in others what they value in themselves, they also tend to judge others harshly on what they themselves are guilty of.
A little ironic that the actual object in this case is judgment.

By the way, if tonight I slip on my unshoveled front steps and break my neck, I'd like to be memorialized in the "Has Anybody Seen..." thread, if I may be so honoured as to be remembered. I've become such a hermit that it'll probably be some time before anybody finds me.

PS: The pseudo wrestler east pseushi by the pshea shore.

[pixiejester]

Originally posted by Rachel Peters
I would like to present my two cents, doing away with the sexism card once and for all. It has nothing to do with her being a woman. I'd like that question to be put to rest. It irritates me.

I asked the question, and nobody else discussed it, I know it wasn't because she was a woman, it just happened to be that she is, and the guys got no debating in their threads.