Day Job?

[jester]

Why am I a guidance counsellor

"Cos I can't lay bricks."
"Cos I'm not as good at you when it comes to science."
"Cos I don't like mechanics and cars."
"Cos I like meeting people like you."


The answers to that dumb smart arse question are endless. I was asked it many times by many smart arses.

I didn't tell people what they should do. I asked them what they wanted to do and then gave them the confidence to go and try it.

You ettiene are the product of a loving supportive family, well travelled, privilaged to some extent who help you do your many courses and stuff.

You have not had to fight your way out of the mean streets to become the talented, pretty but immature and arrogant little shit you are today.


And just to dispell the myth. Demoralising phone jobs actually sap peoples creative energy and people end up doing them for far longer than they anticipated because you can't save on the shit wages, you can only subsist.

I know what I'm talking about. Jump ship now Evan. Jump ship now!

[le pire]

ooooh... with teeth, that last one!

Thanks for the compliments Jester!

However, I'm not quite arrogant enough to tell someone (whom I'm guessing you have never met) that they should quit working their job that is "unimaginative, unambitious and [for] the morally lazy."

That's a pretty harsh indictment coming from someone who lives thousands of miles away and makes his diagnosis of someones life and economic situation based on internet surfing and a few posts on a forum.

but hey, who knows, if Senator Bill Frist was able to diagnose Teri Shaivo based on watching a 6 minute video tape then maybe you also have the insight and ability to tell any of us how to run our lives. Thanks for being so supportive Jester!

etienne

[Rachel Peters]

can't we all just be friends?
evan's got a job! great!
I don't! great!
Etienne's got wicked hair! great!
Jester has a funny hat! great!
no one knows why I'm even here, but they tolerate my posts! great!
la la la! dance around a rainbow... friends.

[martin ewen]

short answer...no

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[Rachel Peters]

dag, yo.

...thanks for crushing my naivety and innocence. I've grown from it. I'll put away the unicorns now.

[martin ewen]

even unicorns are dirty

http://www.lsdudes.com/p-unicorn/index2.htm

[Rachel Peters]

what the hell made me think it'd be a good idea to click on that link?... .. . ........... .. . ... .. . . . .jerk.

[jester]

I may be arrogant. But I'm right and you know it.

I've done telemarketing, market research, telesales. I was WRONG! The pays bad, the vibes bad and it just sucks the soul out of you and it pisses everyone else off.

And as for the idea of phoning people who don't want to be phoned as many as 50 times simply because they didn't say the magic words.....

Well what is the point in that? How rewarding can it be. It is exactly the same as crank phone calls.

Evan.. trust me. You don't have to like me, but I am not saying this out of spite...
GET ANOTHER JOB! If you need to earn cash over the winter do something that is sociable and fun. Stacking shelves in a large supermarket is far more fun even if it pays a little less. It's physical, there are loads of other people working with you and loads of customers.


There is no shame in real work, be it bricklaying, cleaning or wiping the arses of old folks in care... There is shame in work that only happens due to anomolies in over affluent economies.

If you're not careful you'll be on the first space ship out of here, with the PR men and the mission statement writers, sent to colonise another planet on the promise we'll all follow after. I'm going to be 42 in a few days... this is my life the universe and everthing birthday....

[Evan Young]

Okay, I don't need to save, I just need to survive. Jobs that pay enough to survive and save arn't flexable. At this job, if I need a day off, I just call in; I don't have to find someone to cover my shift, and neither do they, they just have one less person working. If I want to pick up an extra shift, I just show up. I don't have to be clean shaven, I can wear whatever I want. I didn't have to promise to work into the summer, which I have done in the past knowing it's a lie (and I HATE that). I really needed a job that wouldn't get in the way of anything and this is the best I could find.

I have several gigs booked starting next month. It's a new show with a new partner that we are activley working on and creating new material, so there is no lack of creativity going on. And then I'll start street performing again in April, which is where the saving come into play. Last summer's savings would have held me through this year if I hadn't crashed my car and bought a new one, and then spent a ton of money on promotional gear, and then found cavities in my teeth, and had to pay for an emergency room visit for a concussion....

and this survey is not evil. it's giving randomly selected people a chance to express their opinions on smoking in a somewhat effective manner. it's not even market research, it's a health study for the University of Colorado and the Department of Public health.

[jester]

Sounds Great

Evan.

Good luck to you. You aren't there indefinately, you aren't going to be trapped and you are there on your own terms.

I hope it doesn't drive you nuts.

[le pire]

I probably shouldn't bother to reply... but I'm a masochist...

Originally posted by jester
I may be arrogant. But I'm right and you know it.

What makes you arrogant, in this case, is not that you are "right" but that you cannot conceive that someone else may also be right (or in this case, simply doing what is right for themselves). You presume that if someone does not listen to your "sage advice" that he/she is doomed to repete your miserable experience and feelings of emptiness that came with it.

You make quick and harsh judgements based on only your own past instead of actually reading what someone wrote and considering where they are coming from and what they are actually doing.

It's admirable that you want to help, and pass on what you have experienced, but your temprament is too extreme and your thought process too short.

Good day sir! I SAID GOOD DAY!!!


etienne

[jesus]

Thanks

I would like to take a moment to thank Jester for taking a fun little thread about people filling there down time with peaks into the "real world" and turning it into a diatribe about his own inability to simply ignore a ringing telephone.
Jester I believe you could even make something as beautiful as sodomy seem dirty.

[jester]

Yeah but you did reply cos you're as stupid as I am.

Originally posted by le pire
What makes you arrogant, in this case, is not that you are "right" but that you cannot conceive that someone else may also be right (or in this case, simply doing what is right for themselves). You presume that if someone does not listen to your "sage advice" that he/she is doomed to repete your miserable experience and feelings of emptiness that came with it.

You make quick and harsh judgements based on only your own past instead of actually reading what someone wrote and considering where they are coming from and what they are actually doing.

Ettiene. Calm down.

The "extreme temperement" is my humour. Evan laughed and was smart enough to know that I was attacking the telemarketing industry not him personally.

Of course I gave seriuos advice. I am qualified to do so. I don't beleive you have ever really had to do a soul destroying job and seriously doubt you know what you are talking about here. I don't think the telemarketing industry needs you as it's champion.

Arrogance is when a little mummies boy, secure in the knowledge that he can afford to experiment and educate himself and will have a family behind him if he fails, sits there and makes smart arse remarks which roughly translate as:

"Brick laying is for lesser people than myself, and frankly so is careers guidence. I am the beautiful one. I am more talented than you and there is nothing I can learn from someone who is unable to do anything other than teach."

In truth, Brick layers tend to earn more than I do over the course of a year, they are skilled artisans and I am willing to pay them well for they work they do.

I have learned that cleaners, the poor bastards who serve burgers in fast food outlets, the traffic wardens, all work for their money, have their place and deserve respect.

Idiots that phone me up time and time again, even though I just hang up on them, the people who phone me back and say "I think we just got cut off." When I have just said "No Thank You." and hung up on them. These people deserve nothing.

I can tolerate the Jehovahs Witnesses who knock on my door to try and save my soul. The Mormon Elders who aren't old enough to shave yet. These people I respect. I can look them in the eye, see their face and engage with them. And if I politely invite them in for coffee, they are anxious to leave long before I tire of their company.

The temporarily out of work who want a quick buck and will pointlessly phone people up over and over again because for some bizarre reason, there is going to be one person in every 300 who is willing to pay over the odds to make nuisance phone calls profitable. That is indefensible.

And Evan said himself Just so you know, if you say "I'm not interested", we will call you back. If you hang up without saying anything, we will call you back. If you never answer the phone, we will call you like 50 times. The national do not call list does not apply to us because we arn't marketing.

Only a Moron could possibly beleive that this right.

Ettiene, I do like you. But you are as bad as I am and we both know we are both doing it on purpose.

It used to be my job to make people do awful work in the short term so as to cut the governments unemployment figures. And I NEVER, not even once, advised one single poor lost sod to do Telemarketing.

I encouraged everybody to at least try and do something they wanted to do. While many of my colleagues beleived that because they got up every morning and did a shit job, then everybody else should do so too, I beleived that putting people in their place was WRONG!

Yes I beleive in hard work, yes I beleive in character building, but sitting in the artificial environment of the telemarketeer/researcher and slowly indoctrinating yourself that oridinary people are wrong and that they should waste their precious free time surveying smoking habits is as pointless as testing shampoo by pouring it into a bunny rabbits eyes.

SMOKING KILLS. We all know it. It should be illegal, it will be one day. There is nothing more to learn, nothing to prove. It causes premature death. Now I will sweep the roads if I nobody wants me to juggle on the streets, but I will not call people up at random to ask them if I can come around and juggle in their homes....

... However... Mmmmm... I'll let you know how I get on.

[jester]

Re: Thanks

Originally posted by jesus
I would like to take a moment to thank Jester for taking a fun little thread about people filling there down time with peaks into the "real world" and turning it into a diatribe about his own inability to simply ignore a ringing telephone.
Jester I believe you could even make something as beautiful as sodomy seem dirty.

Well it started off in good fun, turned into a debate. And frankly I think comparing telemarketing to sodomy is insulting to sodomites, who generally only indulge amongst consenting adults want to be sodomised and don't keep asking time and time again.

Nobody (and I've had some strange phonecalls) has ever phoned me at home and asked my wife in my absence if I would like it up the arse.

[Frisbee]

Not to take this completely off subject

<<SMOKING KILLS. We all know it. It should be illegal, it will be one day>>

I am going to start a thread on how wrong I think you are Jester...anyone care to join in?