Martin Kicks Arse

[jester]

Taxi I would agree with everything you said except the bit about "Ameoba Girl."

For the record, Magrat and I are not allied, in league, attached or indeed the same person.

Martin has attempted to discredit her by lumping her in with me because she doesn't sit in his little petri dish.

Now whatever Martins problem is with Magrat, Martins interest in her has been "Hello little girl show me your tits" as far as I can make out. He has been sexist and fuckwitted in the way he's handled her but dumb enough to snipe at her needlessly when she appeared to be mellowing.

Now this may upset the course of this conversation, but if you really want her to go away, then ignore her. I mean really ignore her. But Martin can't, he isn't grown up enough.

Now I have my own reasons for arguing with Martin, but I started this thread especially for that and when it had carried its course I let it go at one point and just stayed off the thread. It was easy. In fact to show how easy it is I'll do it again.

I have to say that the exchanges between Magrat and Firegirl were hilarious, because they both understood the rules of the game and they were able to get along with each other while having a good old cat fight.

Now with the image concerned, if indeed Martin is lord of the universe, then he has lost control of a little ameoba called Magrat. That is his own fault.

Jumping in and casting your own little put downs won't make her go away. Calling her Kiddo, Wannabe, Little Gilr etc etc is the pathetic onset of old fartism. She probably hangs out here with half an eye on where you've been and half an eye on where she wants to go.

Are we all has beens? Is it over for us? No of course it isn't. But as soon as the past and where you have been becomes the focus then you aren't going much further. That's when you become an old fart, when you start talking like one.

By the way, If anybody does know exactly who she is please tell me because she has an advantage on me.

[Magrat2005]

Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix
proclaim herself his equal and then presume to dictate the conversational flow, Amoeba girl.

I've never proclaimed myself to be his equal, nor did I dictate where this conversation was going, I was saying where that bus conversation was going....

[Peter Voice]

Again, Jester, I have to ask "Who was talking to you?".

Do you even read posts before you feel the urge to reply with some sort of justification for yourself?

You have a lovely sense of perspective, Karl.

Hope you're well.

[gav]

who's talking to who

Peter, who's talking to who? Who's talking to you?
I'm not defending anyone with this statement, the fact is though, this is an online forum open to anybody who cares to register. As far as I can tell anyone can respond to anything they like, including yourself. I think we'll all agree to freedom of speech here.
Anyones ramblings are just as relevant to anyone elses, whether you like it or not.

Martin, don't you get a sore foot from all this arse kicking?

[Magrat2005]

Originally posted by jester
Taxi I would agree with everything you said

yeah, I wonder who Jesta is talking to....

[martin ewen]

Good luck with the peacekeeping there Gav.
Its true. Anyone can become a member and start tapping away. All it takes apparently is a circulatory system. We should trawl amputee and terminal wards and get the bedridden to sign up. They have as much right as any of us who actually perform for a living to post their opinions and be one of the 'gang'.
From what I can make out, jester lives to agitate for its own sake. I find it very humourless and more so when he tries to be funny. He defends Magrat for his own reasons.Magrats sort of at that stage where she may have a lot of qualities but has not the perspective to look back at herself in embarrassment yet.
She and jester will be around now forever, people talk about them and that adds to their quality of life, pnet can be many things to many people.
I will remain abusive. Because of the freedom of speech thing.

[gav]

balkans

were you refering to my peace keeping efforts here in the Balkans or here on P.net?
I'll tell you it's an easier task in the Balkans, except on the croatian forum i post on.

[Magrat2005]

gav, I think he means here....on p.net. I was doing that not long ago....being 'peacemaker' till I thought 'suff it'......so I gave up....good luck if you want to play PeaceMaker

[firegirl]

Originally posted by Mr.Taxi Trix
Bread and Puppet had a strong impact on me, too, and there are examples of "cheap art" from them gracing my home even today... 'Drinks his coffee and says thank you, coffee' hangs in the kitchen.

Bread and Puppet accomplished far more than most performance groups, and helped give hordes of earth-loving types an emotional shot in the arm, while bringing important issues into headlines.

I remember marching on dc years ago. Bread and Puppet brought this giant puppet of a nicaraguan priest who had been killed, quietly assasinated. At a stoplight, they unfloded his twenty-foot arms, and this dead priest reached out in puppet form, supplicating, embracing, and as alive as anyone else there. Bread and Puppet dealt in magic.

And they still do. They've come full circle from the giant summer circus, and now perform weekly in Vermont, doing many community shows throughout New England. They continue to win grants, and publish books and paraphenalia.

b & p was one of my first experiances with theatre as means of social/political commentary -- while the week i spent with them was bloody hot, muggy, insect ridden... while the puppets themselves were heavy and i got knocked on my ass mulitiple times due to wind shears - it was the most marvelous experiance. just to watch people *watching* the pagent. it seemed as if all movement surrounding this spectacle stopped and all energy was reverted and directed towards the performance.

it was most positively one of the most profound experiances i've ever had... the show i worked with them was "Christopher Columbus and The New World Order." amazing stuff.

and, my mom has some b&p cheap art that i gave her in her home.

recently i worked with liebe wetzel 's lunatique fantastique... which is much smaller scale & is "found object" puppertry -- but, the themes of her shows seemed reminicent of b & p... i wonder how much of her work is influenced by them... frisbee? any insights? i don't think i ever asked you or liebe that during the whole process...

anyhow. i'm rambling.

magrat - i think that taxi is refering to the fact that you have in your little space to describe your p.net status the words "martin's equal "

so - in effect you are proclaming yourself to be martin's equal. i have an opinion on this topic - but, at this point i'm going to choose to keep it to myself.

jester - i'm glad you found the exchanges between myself and magrat to be amusing. i agree - they were amusing. but, again - i really think that people take the shit that goes on in these boards WAY to seriously. frankly - i play by no rules. and, i cannot think of a time when something which was said to me has bothered me past the five minutes it's taken to read & respond to it. personally, i enjoy contentious conversation (which is what "blah, blah, blah" pretty much is... contentious conversation. i like that phrase. hm.) it amuses me to read & participate. but, aside from that it really affects little in my life - aside from being the occasional side note in a bar room conversation with one of the various people i actually know in person from p.net.

i found all the info which martin posted on bating and trolling to be quite facinating. truly. this thread is SO a prime example. one could write a thesis based on this.

though, looking back through the p.net threads while laid up with allergies last week - i noted MULTIPLE threads which were all started by you, all for the purpose to attack martin, all pretty much verbatium examples of the material which this thread has spawned.

so, personally - i LIKE martin's decision to take this thread onto a new topic. as the same old bickering over and over can only go so far & be so amusing. the bus idea is wonderful and has spawned conversations about tours past, present and future both on this thread & in the real world. which is nice.

frankly, i think that if you really wanted to, jester - you could be just as creative and as good a contributer to this forum as anyone else is. you have been sucked into a role which you refuse to extricate yourself from. you have been endowed "the asshole" and have decided to play the role to the fullest. that is your choice. and, i don't understand how you are SUPRISED at people's reactions to you. nor, do i understand how ms. magrat could be suprised at reactions to her... though, i don't know that she is. or, if she is she plays slightly better a hand at it than you do.

regardless.

to sum up:
there is this concept in improvisation which is called ENDOWMENT - it is when one improviser gives another improviser a distinguishing characteristic. for example: i was playing a scene yesterday with two other actors - i was an old woman and one of the improvisers endowed me with the characteristic of being deaf. so, i played a deaf old woman. you see?

in effect - where you have endowed yourself "the asshole", you have similarly endowed martin with the power to do with this thread what he will. by naming it "martin kicks arse." you did it - you set it up that way. playing the poor, wounded jester isn't really crediable - as YOU CREATED THE GAME. we've all played by your construct all along. you've been very fortunate thus far that we've continued to play this long. it needs a new direction now. and, as martin is the namesake of the thread - i think he gets to choose.

just my thoughts... rambling as they are.

oh yes - and i've decided that my new favorite word is: FUCKWIT ...it just sounds nice when you say it. so, thanks to you jester - as i saw my new favorite word in your most recent post.

k

[martin ewen]

Suffer the little children...tonight at 7

A BUS is just a vehicle, on another level a show is a vehicle. I am thinking that personally it is easier for me to write a show than construct a BUS, but that perhaps in constructing a show a BUS might follow?
Manifesting ideas can sometimes lead towards concrete realisations.
Just ask your parents.

[firegirl]

SHOWS

one time in talking with brett copes (WHIPBOY)... just really having amusing conversation... we came up with this brilliant idea for a theatrical variety show which included all the different performers we knew & enjoyed performing with in this mad-cap, scooby-doo kind of show. i don't wish to give out the specific details - as it was kind of unique and i imagine one day brett may actually attempt to mount it... but, i will say that it involved us being directed by a sarcastic puppet.

anyhow - point being: i think that a bus would manifest it's self if a show were created which dictated it. what is the scope of the project? what/who would be included - as in, what does your vision of this show dictate?

for myself i can offer beth & i doing our "double tongue transfer" (think girls, fire, kissing) and our "how to escape from a straightjacket w/out really trying" bit... we both have other things we could contribute (fiesty, sarcastic, silly people are always fun on a tour...) but, more specifics are necessary in order for offers to be made.

now i must away.
k

[the scarecrow]

Hear Hear

Originally posted by firegirl

so, personally - i LIKE martin's decision to take this thread onto a new topic. as the same old bickering over and over can only go so far & be so amusing. the bus idea is wonderful and has spawned conversations about tours past, present and future both on this thread & in the real world. which is nice.

frankly, i think that if you really wanted to, jester - you could be just as creative and as good a contributer to this forum as anyone else is. ....

....there is this concept in improvisation which is called ENDOWMENT - it is when one improviser gives another improviser a distinguishing characteristic. for example: i was playing a scene yesterday with two other actors - i was an old woman and one of the improvisers endowed me with the characteristic of being deaf. so, i played a deaf old woman. you see?

in effect - where you have endowed yourself "the asshole", you have similarly endowed martin with the power to do with this thread what he will. by naming it "martin kicks arse." you did it - you set it up that way. playing the poor, wounded jester isn't really crediable - as YOU CREATED THE GAME. we've all played by your construct all along. you've been very fortunate thus far that we've continued to play this long. it needs a new direction now. and, as martin is the namesake of the thread - i think he gets to choose.

just my thoughts... rambling as they are.

oh yes - and i've decided that my new favorite word is: FUCKWIT ...it just sounds nice when you say it. so, thanks to you jester - as i saw my new favorite word in your most recent post.

k

Hear Hear.

I agree, Jester did endow himself but he did it deliberately, that is what a jester is, it is an "assumed fool." Jester has hit Martin playfully on the head with an inflated bladder on many occassions and I think it was possibly good natured originally. However they both let is escalate... and the arsehole can't lose, the worse that can happen is that people think he is an arsehole.

I think also that Jester sees Martin as "The Bishop" and it is a role that Martin has endowed himself with. Traditionally the Bishop is a legitimate and moral authority figure and only a Jester would challenge the Bishop. Bishops were notoriously bad tempered about this because they were generally authoritarian.

I liked Martins change of direction with the thread, however Taxi effectively returned it to it's original topic with his abuse of Magrat.

I think Jesters response is a little strong because if you look at the context of Martins abuse of Magrat, Magrat has asked for it and has shown herself to be comfortable with the subject matter of her sexuality. I don't know if this is a British thing, but Martin does come across a little misogonistic and I see no style at all in the crass allusions to Magrats virginity.

However, Martin is playing a Bush/Cheyney game when he starts bullying people by associating them with known enemies. It's the "Axis of Evil" thing all over.

Jester definately has an axe to grind on this social heirarchy and bullying thing. He manipulates and goads because it is his way of maintaining some sort of control over the situation. He is a bully himself and he is obnoxious but I rather suspect that he has some serious unresolved issues.

I know him vaguely in real life. I have drunk in the same pubs and I have worked at events he has been at. He is attention seeking, he often does lack dignity, he is a blatent "ME ME ME" person who dominates conversation and is a little bit full on, but somehow he has made all of that an acceptable part of his personality. Despite this non endearing handicap however, he's actually quite harmless when you get to know him, but frankly, I used to think "Why bother" when I first met him and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

He loves improvisational comedy and loves working with artists who want to improvise. If you hear him say "We have never rehearsed this!" It is normally perfectly true. However, he has made things happen with me at events.

We call it Theatresports here, and I know he wishes he had a theatresports group near him. A few years ago he used to play theatresports games in the pub on the table when he was drunk. At first I used to look on with contempt, but after a while we all got used to it.

He is just like the nutter at the bus stop. It is actually quite disconcerting when he goes off on one. In those days he didn't wear the silly hat. At least when he wears the hat we know where he's coming from.

As for the Trolling thing.... Which threads has Jester started just to bait Martin?

I think his first bait was "Ban Performance Enhancing drugs.." That was hilarious. Only by endowing himself with the role of asshole could he hope to pull that off. Lots of people really thought he meant it, and got pretty defensive. He should have left it at that.

I am not condoning him, or justifying him because I have felt very uncomfortable in his presence. However, I think he does have a contribution to make and I am glad you said that Firegirl.

[firegirl]

hm. you quoted my entire post, why?

[the scarecrow]

Pushed wrong button. I've edited it. See below.

[Peter Voice]

Gav, the reason I questioned Jester's reply is two fold.

First, about 20 posts ago, he pompously declared this thread "closed" and emphatically stated he was finished with it. Secondly, he keeps answering posts that are clearly directed to others with twisted justifications of his own presence.

It is a corner he backed himself into.