The Heavy Thread for arguing the toss.

[Butterfly Man]

My Saviour

Thank you Spike ... for saving my uh, what was that thing called again ... uh, shit ... I guess I didn't quite get that from the film either...

I should mention (since we're being real here) ... I found the plot to be trite ... the editing sloppy ... the characterizations one-dimensional (although Mary did a good job playing mommy) ... and if I hadn't spent so much time as a youth in ER & OR, a bit gory.

P.S. I ate popcorn through the whole thing.


Gee, I was kinda hoping Peter was gonna post at least twice more before the cock crowed.

[martin ewen]

I was really let down, what a stupid ending, I kept waiting for him to be rescued but he just died.
Maybe i should have read the book.

[Stephon]

Originally posted by martin ewen
what a stupid ending

I dunno--according to an ultra-Christian woman my wife works with, "At least it has a happy ending."

[martin ewen]

Yeah the whole evening was a major disappointment, I got into a fight with an old lady who tried to push in front of me at the ticket counter (she tried to tell me that jesus christ had told her she was special) i told her he meant special as in special needs and special safety utensils and then she swung at me with her leaded handbag and so I tried to blind her with a drinking straw and then a bus-load of 13 year old rightwing evangelical acne-art-projects surrounded me and started chanting 'infidel, infidel satans sock-puppet." (lucky they didn't dismember me and hang me off a bridge)
Until we were separated by the management.
I bought more pop-corn and they had promotional flavored toppings like "Blood of the lamb" and pork scratchings called "Fried Flayed Prophet Flesh-flecks."
Then when I got seated the guy behind me started giving me shit about my severed goats-head hat. I told him I was a Roman and if he knew what was good for him he'd just shut the *#%+~ up, and he seemed to respect that.
To be honest I got quite bored and nodded off and woke up during the flogging scene and thought I was back in boarding school. The audience were all cringing in the dark and then all proud and solemn on the way out, like they'd just been given some sort of a painful psychic tattoo they could show others at church later after the nightmares had healed.
Two severed mercenaries thumbs up (to the highest bidder)

[Butterfly Man]

and one mea culpa cherry coke, please

Martin,
Thank you for that hilarious review ... for your sake I sincerely hope there is no afterlife after all … that blue eyed floating guy might not appreciate your sense of humor like we do.

BTW the coolest part for me was seeing it with someone who didn't know what the fuck the story was all about and after I explained who those guys were on either side of Jesus (I said parenthesis), at the end said ... "gee, Buddhists don't do that kind of shit to one another."


P.S. that’s a $2000 severed goat’s head hat I left in your basement by mistake.

[Spike McGuire]

I almost forgot to mention something.

The Passion was final proof for me that Christianity is a lie.

If it was true, at the beginning or end of the movie there would have been a line stating "based on actual events". I would have even settled for "inspired by actual events", but no such luck.

-----Spike

[jester]

There is an afterlife

Don't sweat it Butterfly.

There is an afterlife and Martin has as much chance of getting there as the "happy clappys."

I still haven't seen it, but I can imagine it. I think more people ought to know that nailing somebody to a cross and then breaking their legs is not the most pleasant thing to do. I'm going to be wincing my way through it later this week.

The newspapers here are full of letters by people upset that a "popular artist" has tried to do something meaningful with a religeous theme. This is obviously blasphemy in their eyes.

I'm squeamish as well. Oooh!

[le pire]

calling mel gibson an "artist" should be blasphemy.


etienne

[Daniel Craig]

I would have enjoyed "The Passion" but there was a couple in front of me making out.

[charlatan_mudo]

left right left right

Well yeah got something to add to this. About the film: haven´t seen it (can´t be arsked really; prefer Kitano, Haneke or Amenabar over Gibson) but. Printed media here in Spain were divided over same according to political leanings of editors and/or foundation crew or whoever. Reviews appearing in those leaning to the right praised and recommended it, while those tending leftways slagged it off. Written just in case you want to know.

[Evan Young]

Originally posted by jester
Er Evan.
And the armed people in Iraque haven't made the USA go away, nor have they anything good to offer Iraque for the future. Armed citizens are a pain in the arse, you are absolutely right.

So, the "armed people in Iraque" are making pretty good progress. They have killed over 100 US soldiers this month alone. The iraque military only killed that many in the entire first gulf war. The military is now projecting that it will cost an extra 500 billion over the next year to keep troops there, which will raise the national deficit by a lot rather than cutting it in half like bush was hoping... in an election year. The "war" is not over. weather or not they have anything good to offer iraque in the future is your opinion based on your perspective of being a non-muslim white guy living in England, not iraque. Obviously a lot of people believe very strongly in thier cause, and their guns are talking.
this week paul bremmer made policy changes as the result of the insurgencies, giving back the right of former bath party members to hold government jobs. hmmmm.

[newyorkstreetdean]

Evan Young: "I wonder what demographic of people are getting shot. I wonder if i really care about those people enough to support laws that revoke my right to have a registered gun in the house. After the columbine shooting..."

Are you really saying that your right to have a gun is more important to you than the lives of other people, specifically high school kids? In other words, if it were possible to reverse what happened at Columbine just by you giving up your gun, you would not support it based on some "demographic" that you have decided these people fit under?

[martin ewen]

A clue before its gets messy, context is king

Jester, took a while to find it buried 5 pages deep in the blah blah section.
Seems months of attempted provocation have gained you little in the way of sparring practice but I'm drawn to oblige for no other reason than you called me a hippy and that is reason enough to stake you naked on the arid saltplain of your own parched imagination.
I do this against my better judgement as the pleasure I usually derive in eroding the dignity of others involves a presumption on my part they have any to lose.

Lets look at your statements in all their kneejerk glory.

"I do want to point out to people that survival of the cooperative includes things like oppression of women, gang rape, warlords and armies. Just incase anybody thought they had found happiness."

Lets begin by trying, for the sake of argument (I'm presuming your point is to have one and as such I'm obliging) to mutually define some terms.

'the co-operative'
It could be argued that anyone who 'co-operates' in any way with anyone for any reason is, while engaged, part of a co-operative.
Thus any activity with mutual goals taken by more than one individual is done as part of a co-op.
So all gang rape, armies, children stealing from orchards, terrorism, prisons, countries, the oppression of women, the sex pistols ,Laurel and hardy, bonny and clyde, sigfreid and roy, beavis and butthead.
Are all examples of co-operatives.

Is that your point? If not please correct me and we’ll move on to the next phase

[jester]

Yes Sensei.

That is exactly my point.

It does not discredit the science, but it is true that many people have subscribed to the "survival of the Co Operative theory as a manifesto for the evolution or man. They see it as a "Brains V Braun" argument, when actually I think it is just common sense and most people would accept it as a theory that sits happily side by side with the Survival of the Fittest argument - and that our cooperative intelligent abilities are one aspect that makes us "fit" in the darwinian sense.

I just had to make a remark because here we were talking about survival of fittest, most cooperative and evolution and in the previous thread there were instructions on how to fuck an automobile. I could see this barbaric and ironic link.

Now don't get carried away with the condescending nudges in your lectures... The bit about dignity, think of my name. And while we're at it, what is WRONG with being a hippy anyway?

[martin ewen]

I'm so mean I poke at Beagles

That was your point, good, target acquired.

Lets take it from the bottom up, a deliberate attempt to alter the pedantic polar mindset you seem to have as a world view.
Firstly, what is wrong with being a hippy?
Hippies are intrinsically pampered moral cowards retarded as perpetual adolescents, reactionaries driven not by any philosophy which would require a discipline but more mundanely an aversion to the status quo that coddled them from birth, coupled with a sanctimonious pious delusion that they use as camouflage to mask the cunning required to exploit the system they proclaim to detest.
Hippies contribute nothing and are fundamental wastes of biomass. They should be killed, chopped up, fed to pigs who could then be killed and eaten to celebrate a long awaited usefulness.
Moving right along, dignity/names. You call yourself a jester, so by definition you jest, nothing you say can be anything but an attempt to entertain and yet you profess opinions that when paraphrased you reiterate your commitment to. It would seem that you stray from your role in a pursuit of dignity that is not yours to aspire to. Dignity can be lent to jesters by others but it would seem to me that for a jester to be conscious of his own dignity would erode his effectiveness in the elasticity needed to highlight the fatuousness of others.
That is your role isn't it?
I’m terribly suspicious that the jester thing, as well as a source of income, is a convenient out when logically cornered.
Now the condescending nudges, well I plead guilty there, but I have an excuse. I’m a fool by trade and inclination and fools are so old they make jesters look contemporary.(contemporary jester...I scare myself sometimes) Fools to Jesters are what Chuck Berry is to the latest winner of ‘Idol’. King Solomon had a fool while Jest didn’t even become a noun till after the renaissance.
But no doubt we’ll chat about that along with parasites and buffoons later.

Now to the main course.
However as a sort of ‘setting of the table’ preamble can I just ask you now to refrain from ever using the phrase ‘many people’ again when you really mean yourself, its transparent and fatuous and Fox TV use it all the time to evade lawsuits while they libel people. Its just shoddy and a bit cowardly. It means nothing more than “three people ever might agree with me when I say.”

And what do you say....
You say that because by your definition of collective sometimes bad things are done in its name then the concept of economic and social symbiosis which has yet to be formally studied but has emerged recently in viable commercial applications is without merit or further investigation.
Your gory emotive group rapes and warlords simply and efficiently (you seem to believe) put paid to any potential alternative to the present global economic system (despite evidence to the contrary) with its inherent injustice wherein whole counties continents and global environments are figuratively raped to provide for a minority who’s justification can, in part be based on the concept that ‘survival’ is inherently linked, unwaveringly and in every definable way with ‘competition’.
This socioeconomic Darwinism conveniently and simplistically equates, ‘fitness’ with wealth and calmly equates poverty with extinction.
Any curiosity or interpretation of reality that attempts to otherwise counter or define profitable alternatives to the current system is, I understand, in your opinion an admission of ‘hippiedom’
Given your position as a Jester I feel bound to ask why you would use the statement. “Just incase anyone thought they had found happiness.” to conclude your first attempt at provocation.
I was unaware unhappiness and its promotion was part of your role.
I admire the way you live the part.