Performers and

[Barry]

Fair enough, martin.
I, myself, could not control my compulsion to add to this particular thread even though I am personally tired of the whole self-agrandisement that endlessly plagues performers. (for that matter, I canīt control it now)
`though, i also agree that helping addicts canīT be wrong...that is helping them to free themselves. If the addiction one is trading is a compulsion to talk about their addictions instead of imbibing on substances that are harmful to them...Iīll help breifly.
It seems that all of us here are addicted to that little bug of LOOK AT ME. and attention IS certainly where you find it.

Somehow, i get the feeling that neither you, me, or said lucky d. rich are Happy Shiny PEople, so not to worry. Buy yourself that drink and Iīll buy one for myself, and if I ever meet you I will reimburse you for it.
Itīs on the house.

Funny, I cant seem to find the PINT , NEEDLE,or SPLIFF icon in the smilies field.
help us out...mr. Jim!

[LUCKY DIAMOND RICH]

recovering button pusher,

LDR

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[Vantage]

Rich,
Who is to say who the better person is, or why. There are quite a few people out there who are complete asses and have virtually no redeeming value what so ever that don't use any drugs and never have. There are also many very productive members of society that are very cool and helpful people, many whom we all consider friends, that do use drugs. Whose to make the decision that one way is better than another. Certainly not you! Speak to a native American tribe that used Peyote to have "visions" or mountain people that grew up chewing on coca leaves to help them deal with the extreme altitudes in which they live. I have talked to the local meth dealer on occasion and have learned to listen to what he has to say.

Drugs do not make a person. They certainly can have a dramatic effect on that person but they can also have virtually no effect at all. This all depends on who we are talking about and what there life entails. I am very happy that you are proud to not use drugs. I also realize how hard it can be to stop taking them or, under the pressure of others, to never take them at all. The thing is........ I also realize that it is not MY right or place to try to make that decision for anyone but myself. It is also not my place or yours to tell anyone what would make them a better person. They are who they are. I enjoyed reading your opinion. Remember though, it is just that, YOURS and an OPINION!
By the way, Caps Lock appears to be stuck on your key board. You might want to look at that.

James

[martin ewen]

Rich/lucky
Its cool bro..i'm just where you once were.
I havn't finished going too far and apoligise for even briefly giving you the hump.

respect
martin

[scot]

ldr,
That's good. If that is what you wanted to do, I encourage you, whole heartedly, to do it. I love it when people look at themselves and decide how to fix their lives and go for it.


everyone,
Though it's true, I know you've all heard all that stuff in your school shows.

I tasted dad's alcohol when I was a kid. I used to drink caffein but, will no longer use it to alter my sleep state. I never smoked, never did pot or anything harder. I don't take drugstore medicine unless it's a prescription. I want people to know that it's possible to live this kind of life if you feel like it.
scot

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[LUCKY DIAMOND RICH]

recovering button pusher,

LDR

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[Vantage]

ldr,
I, myself don't use any drugs or anything that you call "poison", I have but never to great extent and I haven't used anything, even alcohol, for years. I happen to agree with you that drugs aren't something that improves a person. What I cant agree with you on is trying to change people are asking them to change based on your opinion of what they should do is. We have both made the point that "Opinions are like Assholes", I have mine and for the most part it agrees with yours. I can see the lead by example thing. We don't use, people see that, hopefully we set a good example and others follow. I can't see pissing everyone off because the point got pushed to far though.

Different styles, that's all.

James

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[LUCKY DIAMOND RICH]

recovering button pusher,


LDR

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[Rich Potter]

My personal *opinion* is that people would in general get along better if they took the time that they spend on drugs: pot, crack, lsd, coffee, alcohol, and instead, spend that time learning how to spell.

--Rich
(who once tried cocaine and didn't notice any difference except he had a flashback to his last novacaine injection)

[Scot Free]

It appears as if spelling is important but the use of consistent tense within sentence structure is not.

The message rings true regardless of the presentation. If you are slowly killing yourself and are "lucky" enough to have a moment of clarity while someone is offering a solution that worked for them you may find a new way to live.

The passion and gratitude that comes with a second (or third...) chance is not easily concealed and why should it have to be?

If the words could help just one person they are worthy of, at the very least, tolerance from the rest of us.

Nobody has said that if you do drugs you suck as a person, the message is clearly:
I suck as a person when I do drugs and I found a way to stop in the face of desperation, despair and powerlessness. I want make myself available to others who can not stop themselves.

There seems here a certain level of naivety as to the level of abuse and self-destruction Lucky has found a way out of.
We are not talking about a bad weekend here, we are talking about a black hole that empties into an abyss of despair and self hatred.

Pound away Lucky.


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[LUCKY DIAMOND RICH]

recovering button pusher,


LDR

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[le pire]

Lucky Diamond Rich

Having a strong opinion is one thing, and telling some one to "fuck off" is another. In other topics you called everyone else's unicycle advice "shit."

A "strong" opinion does not necessarily mean it is "more valid" than someone elses, nor is it a justification for flaming.

If I am misunderstanding your intentions here, my apologies, but it looks like you need to choose your words with a bit more discretion before you click on &lt;send&gt;.

Just to stay on topic: Drugs are BAD!

étienne

[Scot Free]

For the record I no longer choose to identify myself as an "addict". Part of my process of getting and staying "healthy" has been to let go of such labels.

The principle of "attraction rather than promotion" has always been big with me.
Lucky, your intensity may push away rather than attract those with whom you would share your experience, strength and hope.

[Rich Potter]

Scott, touche'.

Diamond, apparently I've touched a nerve.

For the record, I have a high level of respect for ex-addicts. I've never been an addict, but I know how hard it is to change bad habits, and I've seen the effects of addiction on people.

My posting, although tongue-in-cheek (and not intended to be a personal attack) did reflect my philosophy that bad habits (drug addiction, overeating, self-mutilation, compulsively correcting peoples' spelling, etc.) are easier to break when replaced by positive, less destructive habits, such as juggling, learning a musical instrument, learning to spell, or masturbation. (not necessarily in that order)

So albeit sublimated, my first posting *was* on topic. Telling me to fuck off is *not* on topic.

--Rich
(Having spoken my piece, I now fully intend to "fuck off". Ta!)

[LUCKY DIAMOND RICH]

recovering button pusher,

LDR

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