from the wht house(I wish)

[Pokie-Poke]

My sister sent me this, and being from NYC. I needed this
Friday, September 14, 2001


If I Were President George W. Bush's Speech Writer
By Mitchell R. Robb

Good evening my fellow Americans.

First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New York and all
Americans that are hurting in this tragic time. You can rest assured that
anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of our country
will be done. This is the greatest country in the world and we will get
through this trying time. Now is the time for all people to set aside our
petty differences and show the world that no one or nothing can destroy the
fortitude of the American people.

To the people responsible for Tuesday's tragedy, I say this: Are you fucking
kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone
too long without a bath? Do you not know who you are fucking with? Americans
are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at each other every day. We will relish
that opportunity for new targets for our aggression.

Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people that started
fucking around with us? Remember the little yellow bastards over in Japan?
We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million of them in
their own back yard. That's what we in America call a big ass barbecue. Ever
seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big?

Because we wanted it that way, Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo
and now they cut our lawns. England? We sent them packing.

Ask your buddy Saddam about fucking with the good 'ole USA. The only reason
he got away the first time is because it's too hard to shoot someone when
you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't trained to laugh
and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of cub scouts from
taking over his shitty little country.

Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go ahead and try
to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a mountain high enough
that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb every inch
of the country that harbors him, his camps and any place that looks and even
smells like he was there. Hell, we might even drop a few bombs on people
that have pissed us off in the past. This is America. We kick ass. This is
what we do. Go ahead and laugh now, but the Tomahawks are coming and we will
smoke your sorry asses.

God bless America!

[Butterfly Man]

Mitchell R. Robb is an idiot ...

I don't know who did write Georgie's speech tonite but I just changed my mind about him. Good job President Bush ... didn't know you had it in ya.

I guess you just can't judge a person by their act only ... surprise, surprise, surprise!

Proud (at last) to be an American.

[Caisiy]

MITHCELL R.ROBB
I dont know wheather to be offended, as always with american sense of patriatism, or just at the use of racial slurs.

Was this posted as a bad joke?

These are "would be words" of Gerorge W. Bush, but Mitchell R. Robb thought them up and put them out to the world. I dont understand how anyone can joke about other people lossing thier lives wheather they are americans or afghanistan. Take a look at what are he is saying and see if your idea of a "joke" is really funny to the thousands of people around the world who have been slaughtered by the american military, american policies, and the aid that america has given to bin Laden. I am quite sure that those soliders who he says are "laughin'" are far from that as they say good-bye to their families and move out into this reality that they never imagined.
Why continue to spread hate like this?

Jim this is really off.

[Lynneski]

Great. Just what we needed - a lot of flamethrowing rhetoric, racial slurs and incitement to violence.

I don't find the post attributed to Mr. Robb the least bit entertaining or inspiring. It's simply tragic and ignorant.

Pres. Bush's speech last night was masterful. I too find myself looking at him with new eyes (and he even managed all 8 syllables of
"totalitarianism" with nary a blink). His calls for cool heads, a rational approach, and pleas for support of the many millions of innocent muslims and Arabs in his country and abroad (echoed my numerous other politicos) were emphatically made. While I don't delude myself that there will not be losses of many innocent lives in the course of his campaign, I do believe that the *intent* is to first explore all the diplomatic avenues available, and to approach the task with a distinct absence of the kind of knee-jerk agression posited by Mr. Robb.

Now, if only Pres. Bush hadn't forgotten one little thing - Canada. We too lost many citizens in the disaster. Canadians provided the hospitality for which we are well known to Americans diverted to our airports for several days. We have rallied to to memorial services, donated blood by the tens of thousands, collected millions for victims, provided countless teams of relief rescue and medical workers, and prayed, quietly and in groups, for our friends and neighbours. We are the US's largest trading partner and long term ally. And we were slighted.

I believe Canadians will take it in stride with our usual "aw shucks, we're *only* Canadians" attitude. But there will be a small ember of hurt feelings and a measure of distrust that will burn for a while.

Lynne

[Jim]

First, Who the hell is Mitchell Robb?
Second, Pokie Poke, did you think that was funny?

I know there are people in the USA who actually think like that. And I know there are people who think that letter was funny, but why bother spreading hate?

The fact that it was written is one thing, but Pokie Poke repeated it and that's equally uncalled for.

I understand your anger at the people who caused unbelieveable damage to your city and killed over 6000 people, but we don't need anymore racism and hate in the world. Please think before posting crap like that.

And by the way, I thought Bush was pretty good last night. I know he had a kick ass speech written for him, but he delivered it well.

[Freddy]

Lynne it looks like you beat me to it, but I had already typed this out, so I figured I'd post it anyway !


I woke up this morning angry at BUSH ...and although I agree with his actions and sentiments I was offended by what he didn't say...


When the US closed its' airports over 250 American bound planes were landed in Canada. Any one of those planes could have harboured terroists or a bomb and easily have been diverted in to one of our office towers. Canadians were scared when your planes started heading to their airports and buildings were evacuated; none the less Canada took that risk for YOU.

Canadians offered their homes, to help house the stranded travellers - Airports made sure people had hotel rooms and food, supplies and money were donated by Canadians to help pay for it.

More than 75 Canadians are missing in the wake of the Sept. 11 disaster !

Relief workers from the Candian Red Cross and Salvation Army Imediately went to New York to Help.

Steelworkers, welders and Millwrights from Canada are on their way to help with the clean-up efforts in New York.

Hospitals in Canada prepared to take in your wounded.

Canada is America's largest trading partner.

Canada offered its' ellite force to help with US missions.

Canada truly believed it was the United States closest allie !


AND yet BUSH did not once mention Canada in his address on Thursday evening. In fact he SNUBBED Canada by mentioning other neighbouring countries who suffered far less than Canada and have helped the States far less than that big freindly country in the North Canada.

So maybe I won't send the money, or wear the ribbon, maybe I won't continue to fly the American Flag!

I still believe in America, its' values and its' people but...

Mr. Bush you owe CANADA an Apology! .

My name is Phil and Mr. Bush has called ME one of his closest Allies - you see I am British !

But I would be a prouder Canadian!

Shame on you Mr. President.

[young raoul]

When an individual or a country commits an apparently selfless or charitable act, their motivation is not scrutinized until the point where they request recognition for their kindness and charity. All the acts listed in Freddy's post are true. Canadians did step up, we took the flights in, we offered assistance and hospitality - that's what we do, that's who we are and I would like to think that we could expect the same from likeminded individuals and countries throughout the world - including the U.S.

Do we do it because we seek recognition from George W. Bush? Do we require a thank you in order to continue raising money for the victims and showng our support? Did the fire, police and rescue workers expect a thank you when they ran into the WTC buildings?

Frankly, I see our country not being mentioned as being partner to a rapidly escalating and massive worldwide move towards violence as a positive development. I'll gladly help raise money and I'll sadly and respectfully bow my head but I won't surrender civil liberties in the name of security and I won't lend my voice to aid and abet more hate mongering.

This thread began with hatefulness toward minorities and has since gravitated to hate against Bush for not including us in his international thank you card. I don't believe in censorship but I don't think anyone on this site would argue if this entire thread stopped right fucking here.

Moving in a love direction,

the young one

[Lynneski]

Neal, I don't believe I, or Phil for that matter, expressed anything remotely close to hate for Mr. Bush.

Beggin' your pardon, but I think you missed my point. That being, that Pres. Bush's speechwriters contrived a lengthy message that was designed to be inclusive. Inclusive of all America's allies who are asked to stand with them. Inclusive of all America's peoples who are asked to stand united for their purpose.

I don't think I was looking for a thank-you note or a pat on the head, but a mention that we are part of the team would have been politically appropriate.

Because you can bet your last donut that we won't be forgotten when it comes time to ask for military personnel or intelligence.

Lynne

[The Twisted Ones]

I think the reason for the snub towards Canada is because our government have NOT promised any troups towards the upcoming conflict (we said we "might" send them), our immigration minister snubbed the idea of a joint US/Canadian conference on border controls, and a previous problem we have had with all NATO countries feeling Canada is not pulling it's wieght in military spending and responsibilities. Believe me, there were reasons for the snub.

[Peter Voice]

How ignorant is this fool Robb and any-one who gives credence to this mindless bullshit?

Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box? What the hell does he think it looks like now. In the 70's, Kabul was a beautiful modern asian city famous for it's rose-lined streets and universities. 3 decades of other nations' foreign policies have reduced it and the rest of this nation to rubble. It's people are so weakened that even if they had the resolve to resist oppression they don't have the strength. Attacking the place is akin to sending an NFL team to play your local kindergarden. Bombing will only rearrange the rubble and kill more innocents.

America should be asking "Why? Why did you do this to me? I always thought I was the good guy trying to do the right thing". Then and only then perhaps some understanding might occur. Instead, dickheads like this jerk act like the neighbourhood bully who, when he finaly gets punched in the face, cries foul, then rushes around gathering his gang to go and beat up the one who had the audacity challenge him.

If the US is the world leader it thinks it is, we can only hope it thinks carefully about where it is attempting to lead us. There are some places I don't want to go and Mitchell Robb lives in one of them.

[Butterfly Man]

I agree with the Young One we need to move on ...perhaps we can close this thread, as we opened it, with a letter expressing someone elses viewpoint ... this one from the opposite side of the literary spectrum.
---------------------------------------------------------
Where the Violence Comes From

There is never any justification for acts of terror against innocent civilians -- it is the quintessential act of dehumanization and not recognizing the sanctity of others, and a visible symbol of a world increasingly irrational and out of control.

It's understandable why many of us, after grieving and consoling the mourners, will feel anger--and while some demagogues in Congress have already sought to manipulate that feeling into a growing militarism (more spies, legalize assassinations of foreign leaders, increase the defense budget at the expense of domestic programs), the more "responsible" leaders are
seeking to narrow America's response to targeted attacks on countries that allegedly harbor the terrorists.

But though the perpetrators deserve to be punished, and I personally would
be happy if all the people involved in this act were to be imprisoned for the
rest of their lives, in some ways this narrow focus allows us to avoid
dealing with the underlying issues.

When violence becomes so prevalent
throughout the planet, it's too easy to simply talk of "deranged minds." We
need to ask ourselves, "What is it in the way that we are living, organizing
our societies, and treating each other that makes violence seem plausible to
so many people?"

There is a growing global incapacity to recognize the sanctity of each human being. The willingness of people to hurt each other to advance their own interests has become a global problem, and its only the dramatic level of this particular attack which distinguishes it from the violence and insensitivity to each other that is part of our daily lives.

We may tell ourselves that the current violence has "nothing to do" with the way that we've learned to close our ears when told that one out of every three people on this planet does not have enough food, and that one billion are literally starving.

We may reassure ourselves that the hoarding of the world's resources by the richest society in world history, and our frantic attempts to accelerate globalization with its attendant inequalities of wealth, has nothing to do with the resentment that others feel toward us. We may tell ourselves that the
suffering of refugees and the oppressed have nothing to do with us -- that that's a different story that is going on somewhere else. But we live in one world, increasingly interconnected with everyone, and the forces that lead people to feel outrage, anger and desperation eventually impact on our own daily lives.

The same inability to feel the pain of others is the pathology that shapes
the minds of these terrorists. Raise children in circumstances where no one
is there to take care of them, or where they must live by begging or selling
their bodies in prostitution, put them in refugee camps and tell them that
that they have "no right of return" to their homes, treat them as though
they are less valuable and deserving of respect because they are part of some despised national or ethnic group, surround them with a media that extols the rich and makes everyone who is not economically successful and physically trim and conventionally "beautiful" feel bad about themselves, offer them jobs whose sole goal is to enrich the "bottom line" of someone else, and teach them that "looking out for number one" is the only thing and that anyone who believes in love and social justice are merely naive idealists who are destined to always remain powerless, and you will produce a world-wide population of people feeling depressed, angry, unable to care about others, and in various ways dysfunctional.

Luckily most people don't act out in violent ways -- they tend to act out more against themselves, drowning themselves in alcohol or drugs or personal despair. Others turn toward fundamentalist religions or ultra-nationalist extremism. Still others find themselves acting out against people that they love, acting angry or hurtful toward children or relationship partners.

Most Americans will feel puzzled by any reference to this "larger picture." It seems baffling to imagine that somehow we are part of a world system which is slowly destroying the life support system of the planet, and quickly transferring the wealth of the world into our own pockets. We don't feel personally responsible when an American corporation runs a sweat shop in the Philippines or crushes efforts of workers to organize in Singapore. We don't see ourselves implicated when the U.S. refuses to consider the plight of Palestinian refugees or uses the excuse of fighting drugs to support repression in Colombia or other parts of Central America. We don't even see the symbolism when terrorists attack America's military center and our trade center--we talk of them as buildings, though others see them as centers of the forces that are causing the world so much pain.

We have narrowed our own attention to "getting through" or "doing well" in our own personal lives, and who has time to focus on all the rest of this? Most of us are leading perfectly reasonable lives within the options that we have available to us -- so why should others be angry at us, much less strike out against us? And the truth is, our anger is also understandable: the striking out by others in acts of terror against us is just as irrational as the world-system that it seeks to confront. Yet our acts of counter-terror will also be counterproductive.

We should have learned from the current phase of the Israel-Palestinian struggle, responding to terror with more violence, rather than asking ourselves what we could do to change the conditions that generated it in the first place, will only ensure more violence against us in the future.

This is a world out of touch with itself, filled with people who have forgotten how to recognize and respond to the sacred in each other because we are so used to looking at others from the standpoint of what they can do for us, how we can use them toward our own ends. The alternatives are stark: either start caring about the fate of everyone on this planet, or be prepared for a slippery slope toward violence that will eventually dominate our daily lives.

We should pray for the victims and the families of those who have been hurt
or murdered in these crazy acts. We should also pray that America does not
return to "business as usual," but rather turns to a period of reflection, coming back into touch with our common humanity, asking ourselves how our
institutions can best embody our highest values. We may need a global day of
atonement and repentance dedicated to finding a way to turn the direction of
our society at every level, a return to the notion that every human life is sacred, that "the bottom line" should be the creation of a world of love and caring, and that the best way to prevent these kinds of acts is not to turn ourselves into a police state, but turn ourselves into a society in which social justice, love, and compassion are so prevalent that violence becomes only a distant memory.

-Rabbi Michael Lerner

[This message has been edited by Butterfly Man (edited 09-22-2001).]

[Pokie-Poke]

First Let me say Yes I found this funny, VERRY Funny. it was the first time I laughed since 9/11/01
you don't knead to email Jim, so don't.
I foud this funny because of how extreme it was, we all have had fun poking fun at mr. Bush (altho his speaches are better than this one, but I heard this one first) and I for one have never felt hate, pure 100% hate till that day. This "speech" put things into perspective, of how stupid the knee jerk reaction is. It is odd that this got the reaction that it did from the same buntch that had so much fun with thalimde babbys. this is not to do with hate but with anger, if kept inside it will eat you. today, if you want to have a rational conversation about what happend, I can now do this, on 9/12 I would have kicked some ones ass. the anger was in control, as it was with many. try to let it out BEFORE it gets out on its own and you can stay in control. If it is out of your system god bless you, but please help others get it out in a safe, constructive way for if you try to block this out put it will only get worse.
The other thing I find odd is this post had nothing to do with canada, having frends up north this is a toatly sepret topic. which has nothing to do with performing. (or did I miss the Canadadin joke??)
I will not ask Jim to remove this thread as this was my NONVIOLANT anser, A joke that showed how stupid some of my own reactions were. as fare as being constructive yes I have given both blood and cash. blood for the first time 9/11 at about 1pm.(I HATE NEADLES) working out deatales for shows up in ny soon. if you dont like this post don't read it , don't post to it and it will go away. if we must quote people...
"fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side..." Yoda
to all who helped, thank you.

[Jim]

Let's move on. This topic is closed.

Jim