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  • Doctor Eric
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2002
    • 955

    #31
    Is this forum for professional performers, or a battered women's support group?


    Now that the "Oh, it's good enough, !@#? it" contingent has had their say, let's get back to the questions at hand.

    1. Titling-
    The hat is atrocious, it looks like MSOffice clip-art circa 1996, lose it, it's unnecessary.
    The colors are glaring and childish, and so are the italics. It's a commonly held misconception that marketing towards a family-friendly and/or children's audience requires childish design. It's not true. The italics you are using to express motion, that's unnecessary, moving pictures convey motion pretty well on their own. I think you'd be a lot better off using white, or light grey text in a nice sans-serif font (Franklin Gothic is a classic, you might have it, Tahoma is nice and you definitely have it, there are a few other nice ones that are free, delicious is one, but it might have too much character of it's own for this). Bring in "MARCUS" as big as possible, right at the beginning, use 18-21pt for everything else, no italics.

    2. File Format-
    Pinnacle will make mpeg's, avi's and all sorts of other stuff, if you have flash, exporting flv is very easy, and flash delivers video better than anything else on the web. There are free converter's for flash video as well, RIVA is one. However, if you are doing it without the flash software, you need someone to make you a player. This website has all the information that you need about free file converters.

    3. Gen. Comedy Stuff-
    I'm writing an article for the library about this right now, so I don't want to spend too much time here, but..
    First off, those last three posts are just bad advice. This forum is rife with it, and it's one of the reason's I'm so !@#?ing angry all the time. There is no excuse for using other people's material, it's lazy, plain and simple. Read that last line like 9 or 10 times. It's just lazy. Street acts justify it all day long, and if they'd spend half of the time that they do so writing or sharpening original material, they wouldn't feel the need to justify anything.

    "If anyone has any suggestions on how to deliver the go ahead and text it that will be faster line without the 911 set up I'm listening."

    NO.

    Do it yourself. What is the premise there? That teenagers can text faster than they can talk. And you need a minute and a half to set that up? It's just a collection of words conveying an idea, it can be rearranged, sliced up, and !@#?ed with endlessly. It's not written in stone, it's a joke for chrissake. Screw with it, shorten it, throw it out randomly, have FUN with it. Then, write something new and throw it out.

    "The Rules of Stand-Up" are the rules of comedy. I've been performing on the streets for 7 years. My authority on the subject is based on the frequency that my jokes are stolen.

    Your material can always be better, and no matter what other people might tell you, you should be constantly striving for that. You owe it to your audience, as well as yourself. People lift lines all the time, but no matter how "well" you think you deliver your plagiarism, it's still a knee jerk reaction based on fear. When you get that fear to go away based on your own effort, an entire world opens up before you. The "easy way out" is nowhere near as rewarding.

    I'm ranting, and I should be saving that for the article.

    I'll break down one of your jokes as an example. In my opinion, this one is the worst offender, and is filled with mistakes. There's a good joke underneath it, you just haven't excavated it properly. The Garage Sale thing

    First off, it's a stalling joke. You stall a trick to tell a joke, it's inherently a cruel thing to do, like offering a kid a lollipop and yanking out of his grasp. At that moment, you're being an asshole on purpose, and you'd better make them love you for it. Trust me on this one, my entire show is stalling, and when I'm not funny, people want to beat my ass for making them wait all that time.

    Why count to five? They're ready on three, you're already dragging this thing out.

    Stop mugging so much, it's amateurish.

    "You ever thought something that was a good idea before you tried it?..."

    There are two sentences here, you only need one. "And Then you tried it and it was a bad idea"(or whatever you say) is implied by the first sentence. The first sentence is also a question, which lacks confidence. You know damn well we've all had that bad idea, you don't need to ask, it sounds more like what you're asking for is acceptance, but you already have that. Also, here you're trying to do the right thing: talk about them first. That's important, people only inherently care about themselves, talk about them first, before you start on some story about yourself. You're trying to make it relate able, and that's good. The problem is that you don't really make it all that funny. And you mug all the way through it. You're telegraphing in big letters, "HERE COMES A BIG CHEESY JOKE!" It rings false. You could also throw a punch line in here, there are a million examples of this, many of which can be expressed in six syllables or less.

    "It's kinda like that time I went to Junior High, and I decided to wear a shirt that I got at a garage sale."

    Really? You were buying your own clothes in Junior High? And you went Garage Saling? What, did you graduate at 40? That's what I would have to infer after hearing "It's kinda like that time.." You only went once? It's grammatically poor, and it sounds fake as all hell. You need a laugh here, not a bad setup.

    Now you're into the joke, "shut up Tiffany" gets a good laugh" (I'd play with different girls names, that are funnier, and have harder consonants, like maybe "Beatrice", or "Mildred", both make it sound like you're older than you are, bonus joke between the lines.) BUT, your act out blows, and that screws up your tags. At this point, this is where rookie comes in, you're mugging all over the place until it is appropriate to do so, then you get shy. The act out isn't believable, or well acted, so even though those tags are good, they don't get laughs. That's why scot told you to take them out (I think you should keep them, and get a bigger laugh with them). When you deliver those, you should be honestly indignant, and defensive, not goofy. And also, the kids don't know who the care bears are, if you named something comparable that is contemporary, everyone would get it, and it would be funnier to the parents, because they're sick of having to watch that crap.

    Here's my crappy 5 minute rewrite.

    "Sometimes you come up with an idea that sounds great on paper...

    [Like going hunting with Dick Cheney]
    [Like invading Iraq]
    [Like wearing white socks with sandals (point at the guy in the front row)]
    [Like giving your kids the remote control]
    [Like letting your teenager pick your NetFlix]
    [Like feeding asians whole milk]
    [Like putting spinners on a mini-van]
    [Like eating chili before church]
    [Like taking your toddler to the zoo in spring]
    [Like switching to Geico]
    [Like ''3 V-Dubs' for under 17,000!"]

    "[Or] like that time my parents decided to take us school shopping at the thrift store.

    ["Thank YOU trickle down economics!"]

    "I walked into Junior High and this kid pipes up 'Marcus, that used to be MY shirt!' (you could just say "blouse" here to, to get to it quicker)

    "'Shut up, Beatrice! [This used to be your training bra, too, at least I make it feel needed!(man-boobs+crossdressing = two bonus laughs]

    "It's not a blouse, it's a shirt.

    "And I happen to like the Power Puff girls.

    It ain't brilliant, but there are thousands of options out there.

    Hopefully it's coherent, I'm jacked on coffee, and my comedy shorthand is my own, it's not like there's a standardized form out there...
    Last edited by Doctor Eric; Feb-27-2007, 09:29 PM.

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    • Stephon
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2001
      • 651

      #32
      Whaaaaat?!

      Originally posted by Doctor Eric
      There is no excuse for using other people's material, it's lazy, plain and simple.
      Whoa, whoa, whoa.

      I am not advocating using other people's material.

      Yes, I realize that for something to be hack, someone else has to have said it before. In fact, many someone elses have to have said it. So many, that no one even knows who said it first; it doesn't "belong" to anyone. For example, if someone came up with a really funny, original punchline for "why did the chicken cross the road", (it could happen), you could hardly accuse them of stealing someone else's material.

      The 911 line is hack 'cuz lots of other performers use the this-is-so-dangerous-be-ready-to-call-for-help premise, but Marcus puts a new capper on it. As far as I know, no one else was doing his "texting" line. Does anyone know who first used a 911 line in their show?

      I'm amazed you can accuse someone of being hack/stealing, and in the same post suggest a hunting w/Dick Cheney joke. That's so hack, Jay Leno was doing it!

      And you're wrong, Eric, about the "Care Bears" line. Care Bears still exist, and people know who they are--they're advertised during childrens' programming. "Power Puff Girls" is too many syllables and it's not as funny. And while "Beatrice" and "Mildred" do have the hard consonants, "Tiffany" makes the line sound bitchier, which is funny, and the fact that he'd wear something someone named "Tiffany" would wear is funny.

      What I should have included in my original post was that even if Marcus keeps those lines, he should, of course, always keep working on new, original material.

      (The giving whole milk to Asians is a damn funny line, tho.)

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      • Isabella
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 403

        #33
        Costume thought

        Brainstorming -

        What if you wore the Care Bears (or Powder Puffs, or whatever) shirt? Under something snappy for a reveal somewhere in the show? What if it was way too small? What about Underoos? Hmmm...inappropriate spandex? The training bra under the shirt, to act as a "retaining wall for my manboobs"? (And then at hat pass shows they can put money in your bra...)

        Gav wears leopard everything and is memorable
        Ditto Checkerboard Guy (it's his name, even)
        A guy I saw in Austria wears "nerd" clothes - black pants with the waist too high and the legs too short, shortsleeve dress shirt, tie, tighty-whities underneath (and they do get revealed)
        Hilby wears lederhosen and a little hat, or too high too tight golf pants.

        Everyone else wears a bright shirt, plain shorts or pants, generically "wacky" shoes and some sort of hat. Unless they spin poi, in which case they look like refugees from the Dead.

        Maybe all one color that is significant to your act?
        Maybe all one pattern?
        Maybe something super-slick that gradually breaks down or has stuff wrong with it?

        My group wears hot pants, colored tights (different color each girl) under fishnets, tank tops or leotard tops, fancy hair. What works for us is:
        Selling sex
        Easy to move in but covered enough to not get rope burn
        Not too hot, able to be layered for cold
        Fishnets shows we belong together and we're a little edgy
        Hair ties show we belong together (enough so that i walked into a restaurant in street clothes and hair and the waitress said, your friends left awhile ago)

        What if your clothes matched your props? What if the whole show "came out of the garage sale" where you got the shirt, and there was a whole retro theme with making the audience play Twister and getting them into a pose where you can stand on them and balance the bowling ball? What if there were flames or some other cool but cheesy design like you'd see on the side of a van?

        It seems like a lot of this all comes down to the same question - it's not so much about the specific jokes or the outfit or the video, it's that you have some really good tricks and the beginning of your character, and you can now go further with exploring the character so that everything is grounded in that place. When you know exactly who you are and why you're there (beyond, I got the gig), everything else will be much more obvious:

        Of course this is the font to use, it says I'm the Leopard Guy
        Of course this is the joke to use, I need another stall because my act is about stalling
        Of course this is the shirt to wear, it says I wear junior high girls' clothes and that's how dorky i am
        Of course this is the music to use, it tells that I'm sexy
        Of course this is the logo I need to say I'm lovable like a Care Bear (joke idea - you've consumer tested all possible costume choices to be as lovable as possible, this won the focus group)
        Of course this is the joke to close the video, I'm rude and aggressive (Gazzo, looking over the heads of his crowd, into the camera, "they say a performer is only as good as his audience and right now, I suck." End of video)
        Of course sepia is the tint for all our promo stuff, we're retro, and of course swing dancing is what to open with.

        The acts that blend together are the yet another guy on a giraffe uni juggling three somethings. But the characters can do any damn trick they want because they do it in a way that comes out of them and so it's unique.

        I hope that makes sense and is helpful

        My promo video is on YouTube, and it's linked from my webpage at www.angelsintheair.com if you'd like to see it to put my comments in context

        Allison

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        • Doctor Eric
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2002
          • 955

          #34
          off topic- The guy in Austria (I'm almost 100% sure) is a friend of mine from Berkeley, Peter Sweet, I helped develop that show (about 5%, and then he further developed that character, and threw out all that stuff except for a musical selection)

          It's good to hear about him, he took off to Austria 2 years ago, and I only hear from him once in a while when he comes back to visit family. His show is hilarious. This is also slightly on-topic; Peter used to have an extremely stock show. Most of his show was lifted from other acts he had seen in SF and Australia. He got more and more sick of it, tossed it all out, and wrote the nerd show. I saw him go through a lot of trials and tribulations trying to work a new show, but no matter what happened, even if it totally fell apart, I noticed he was always happier failing at the new show rather than succeeding at the old one.

          Stephon: of course that joke is easy, and lame, that's why I'd never use it. But that's what brainstorming is FOR. And an original tag doesn't mean he shouldn't try to figure out a way to do it without the 911 line.

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          • Marcus Wilson
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2004
            • 124

            #35
            I feel like some of you are trying to stand up for me for using a stock joke. I have to say I agree with Eric on this. The reason it is in my show is because I didn't really look at as a joke I looked at as a set up. The reason it is in my video is because I am making the best video I can with what footage I have. I felt like in that routine it was the joke that was delivered the best. I Was Wrong for having it my show/video and so is everyone who says its OK to use stock jokes.

            I'm glad I was called on it and will be removing it from my video and will start writing a original way to deliver the texting punch line in my show.

            I pride myself on having a show with routines and jokes that I wrote or someone wrote for me. I know lots of people do a lot of the same tricks I do. I know some of my jokes are obvious and therefore people have lines that are similar. But my jokes and routines are mine (with very few exceptions). I am guilty of using some stock lines for hat lines, dealing with a heckler, gathering a crowd and sometimes a situation will arise where I know I will get a huge laugh from one. But I am always trying to replace those lines with my own.

            Eric and Alison,

            Thank you for spending the time to give me so much advice it means a lot to me.

            Eric,
            You gave a lot of great advice I will use a lot of it. I will be writing more about my thought process's and the reasons for doing some of the things I do in my show. It's just too late right now.

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            • gav
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2003
              • 916

              #36
              also off topic

              'off topic- The guy in Austria (I'm almost 100% sure) is a friend of mine from Berkeley, Peter Sweet, I helped develop that show (about 5%, and then he further developed that character, and threw out all that stuff except for a musical selection)'

              Actually I'm willing to bet money on the fact it was Cristoph. I can understand why you thought it might be Pete, they had the same Italian clown teacher and now they have almost the same nerdy character and slack rope finale show.
              Both great guys though.
              Pete, Cristoph and I did the gig from hell in St. Johan last year. We got to bond.

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              • Stephon
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2001
                • 651

                #37
                Originally posted by Doctor Eric
                Stephon: of course that joke is easy, and lame, that's why I'd never use it. But that's what brainstorming is FOR. And an original tag doesn't mean he shouldn't try to figure out a way to do it without the 911 line.
                No argument with you there.

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                • scot
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2000
                  • 1169

                  #38
                  as usual, I'm more upset by the responses than the subject of critique. marcus, and everyone; don't settle.

                  the sound has a constant his / hum and is distorted. I think your levels are too high throughout.

                  since you don't have closeup footage, replace the ugly hat with a headshot of you.

                  the reason eric and i get so mean is because we're spending time helping you instead of actually doing it for ourselves so we really want you to succeed. We also want audiences to get good shows when we're not around.

                  the comedy stuff eric's saying is true mostly (didn't read it all because he never got to the punchline). I don't agree with steven saying that the video should be an accurate depiction of the show. I think it should make you look as valuable as possible and the show should be able to back it up enough so the client is satisfied.

                  Many performers on this site are great examples of how you can sell absolute crap to clients. If you worked harder and cared more about marketing, you could be making more money than all of them put together.

                  Shows have an ability that mainstream products don't. You are selling one thing that cannot be comoditized. That means, for all the possible bookers out there, you could probably work for a long time without one customer talking to another. Now you're in a position to sell a really crap product using lies and deception. No matter how good your show is, if the video's not better than that of the people using deception, you won't cash out.

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                  • Isabella
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 403

                    #39
                    Peter Sweet

                    Might be him - does he speak fluent, native German? The guy I saw did - I thought he was an Austrian or a German. He does a bit where he pretends to only speak English and then breaks into German as what appears to be his native language.

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                    • thatjugglingfool
                      Member
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 36

                      #40
                      I just watched the video again and I can’t hear any distortion, but there is a good chance that my speakers are so crappy that I can’t tell a difference.

                      Scot is absolutely right about a headshot on the front end. It would give your potential clients a good look at you and would eliminate the cheesy logo. Maybe a round pic with your name and funny man...around it.

                      It is an appalling truth that the vast majority of us allow ourselves to perform an easy, predictable show. You have to work with what you’ve got, which usually means putting on a crappy stock show when you start. But too many of us never progress. Once we have a show that works we use it until the reaper comes a knock’n. It takes hard work to get better. Spending months practicing new bits is only fun for the masochists among us. Writing an original joke, rewriting it, trying it out to see which bits work, rewriting it again, realizing that it sucks, throwing it out and starting over, is a painstaking process. Our shows don’t get better if we settle on mediocrity. There is nothing more rewarding than knowing your show is getting better. Scot and Eric shouldn’t have to tell us that.

                      Marcus, I’ve seen your show many times over the years and it is always getting better. Keep working on the video, because at this point I don’t think it shows how good your show really is. New footage will be necessary before you’re done.

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                      • Doctor Eric
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2002
                        • 955

                        #41
                        Isabella- I don't think that's him, although he said he was playing with other languages, esp. German, I doubt he speaks it well enough to pass as his native tongue. Although maybe, it is a joke that would fit with his character, and you're not German. He's been living in Austria for two years, and he's pretty dedicated, he might be able to pull it off. anyway, this is him, you can tell me...
                        Meet Pete

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                        • Steven Ragatz
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 493

                          #42
                          Originally posted by scot
                          I don't agree with steven saying that the video should be an accurate depiction of the show. I think it should make you look as valuable as possible and the show should be able to back it up enough so the client is satisfied.
                          Yes, Scot is correct. I reread what I had typed, and suggesting that promotional material should be a journalistic representation isn't what I intended to say. Certainly, one wants promotional video to look as good and as compelling as possible. In fact, the best promotional material is whatever makes you look better than you actually are!

                          There are multiple issues here, including video technology, footage quality, show instance, show content, etc. The reality is that we all have to make do with the resources available to us, and we can always do better. But we have to draw a line once in a while and simply commit to a video that shows the current state of the work, otherwise there will never be anything to show and you will always be waiting for the finished product.

                          The footage that you have will get you a certain level of work. In turn, those opportunities may net you better footage and further show development. Of course you are working on your show. Of course you are trying to write better jokes. Of course you will improve - simply if you keep trying and growing. It's not rocket surgery.

                          My advice is to not get bogged down by all the what-ifs and should-bes, and accept that this video iteration is going to get you only so far. If you are lucky, that will be a little bit further than you were before! All of the suggestions in this thread have merit, but I think in many ways, we are doing you a disservice by distracting you from the original intent - get a promotional video available so that you can get some more work lined up.

                          Steven Ragatz

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                          • scot
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2000
                            • 1169

                            #43
                            and peace falls over the p

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