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  • MagiCol
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 40

    #16
    Here's something I do to try to get a crowd:
    I so some manipulation of objects/movement, sound, use colour. If it's magic gear, do something that can be repeated time and again and which is just a little part of a trick you are going to do later. I keep an eye out for anyone approaching and try to catch their eye. Once I do that, then I can talk to them, showing them and offering them the item I have in my hand, and get them to hold it or one of the items [e.g. a playing card, a coin I'll use, a biut of rope, for a juggler maybe even getting the person to hold the ball/club and then toss it in to me for me to use].

    The idea of telling the first two or three people that they are going to be helping you to get other people to stop and look is a good one. Try to get the name/s of one or two of these people and use these names. This will make it look to newcomers like you have got a good relationship with those people already standing with you.

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    • davidkaye
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2005
      • 131

      #17
      Now, I don't personally do any of this since I'm an accordion player without an act per se.

      But I have plenty of friends who do circle shows. What they do time and again is LOTs of fake prep.

      For instance, a straightjacket escape artist I know puts out chains on the sidewalk, and maybe torches, trick bicycles, and other stuff. Then he walks around the circle and rearranges things for about 20 minutes. During that time crowds build because everybody wants to see what's going to happen. When he gets about 50 people gathered around only then does he start his act.

      In his book, "Freak Like Me", Jim Rose (love him or hate him) tells of the guy at Venice Beach whose act was lying on a bed of nails. He spent about half an hour of "prep" with pliers quietly bending the nails back and forth, not for any reason except to draw interest.

      If you can get a copy of the book, do so.

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      • Mad_hatter
        New Member
        • May 2012
        • 4

        #18
        Has any one here tried Don Driver's crowd building bally from his "Building a tip" DVD?

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        • solrak29
          New Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 14

          #19
          DavidKaye and MagiCole great stuff.....

          I see how the circle guys work is probably what this thread was leaning
          to when you have a slow pitch. This is what they meant.

          Don drivers, "building the tip", have it, but never used it on the street.
          It would be simliar to what David said above....I've seen a guy on
          youtube use it, but for me it just didn't fit my style/act....

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          • Peter
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2000
            • 271

            #20
            Originally posted by Mad_hatter
            Has any one here tried Don Driver's crowd building bally from his "Building a tip" DVD?
            I got Don's Building A Tip and now use his method. DAMN! IT WORKS!! Felt dumb as a rock when I started but I built my crowds quicker than ever. Plus my hats got bigger. Use it all the time now.

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            • Evan Young
              Senior Member
              • May 2001
              • 1002

              #21
              In a busy noisy space you need to be big and flashy and things need to happen soon and often. In a quiet slow space you need slow down, be subtle, meet them at their level. There is no magic recipe.

              I find that on friday nights I have to cut all my most favorite crowd gathering lines because they are too subtle and the people who have already stopped get impatient, but on a thursday that stuff gets huge laughs and plays as well as anything.



              Learn all the tricks/tactics/techniques, practice them all, learn when they work best, and have them in your back pocket for when you need them.

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              • Mr.Taxi Trix
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2000
                • 1273

                #22
                From the Library


                You communicate intelligent forethought and expectation by illustrating your performing space. A rope on the ground indicating your "stage" is instructive. Semicircle is popular. Have fun with any kids who may cross it. Loop it gently around a foot, hang yourself with the end of it when a kid "wins." Later, when they are well lined up on the rope, it can be a useful symbol to remove and coil it, to mark the show's beginning, and establish intimacy and vulnerability. Chalk can also work, or sprayed water in summer, on bright hot days, can be fun.

                A careful laying out of props is the simplest way to begin a street show. Do it as if it makes a serious difference where everything goes. Don't dismiss it. Read Pat Campbell's "Passing the Hat": as she says, this is sometimes performed with all the intricacy of a Japanese tea ceremony. Your level of respect for the props can be an invitation to people. It's a pull. Back away from set props, look at them from audience perspective, and then change a little something. You can communicate in your placement, and in making small changes, that there are things you know which they do not, that you prefer the set a certain way, and - oh hell it just works. (And you can trade it all for the mystery of the unopened box later, but these are the basics.)

                I'm guessing you have skills. Use volunteers; you know that, right? Respect them, and have something genuinely useful and contributing for them to do. It's more than ok to have your show take a little detour into unexpected territory opened up by your volunteers. Don't be a script queen. How do you choose who you pick? Simple.

                For adults, there is only one barometer. No matter what, get someone who is smiling. Stay awake and find a grinner before volunteer time. Get them up. One easy way is to single them out from nowhere. Mention how you need someone, anyone, anyone young, with long sleeves, etc. until only the person you want fits. Kids are far easier. Kids will trip over themselves to come up if you do one cool thing and then simply ask. Stay away from the ones with horns.

                (Advanced… find 3-7 smiling people in the first minutes of the show, and choose from among them the one most comfortable returning your welcoming expression when you meet their eyes. Rob Torres gave me that one.)

                Make believe people want you to go over well with them. It's a premise you do well to engage. (Can you "engage" a premise? I think I'm married to this one.) Be available to feedback from the crowd. Reacting to what is happening during the show, is lots of the show. We all trot out our bits, but the good ones listen. Listen: there is a private wordless conversation between you and them. It is formed of commentary on the fact that you are in front of them now. An eyebrow lifted at an intruding toddler beats three of a toss every day. If you communicate to them that they are impacting you, and that that is itself fun, they are glued.

                The "magnet" portion: getting them to come to you, is a toughie. Cultivate intrigue in dress and movement. Project power and certainty, not arrogance but be clear that you are capable. Speak loudly, and say things that would make you stop in the street and watch someone. If you are not "hawking" your show, start with that. Say good things about what is to come. Everything works. Questions and commands work. Want to nail 'em to you? Get sidetracked into them, as in:"Hey get over here, I'm gonna stand on my head and HEY that tie with that jacket REALLY? Does your wife know you're wearing that? What a risk taker!"

                It is its own dance. Do it 3-5 times before you decide if you like it. Watch your ego, it aint easy at first. My first show I made 25 cents. Invent that your body is the perfect expression of sensuality and balance on the planet. Cultivate gratitude. Be all of the space, encompass the show. Never, never apologize unless you hurt someone or you do it as a bit. Make believe the show is an event where you get to be three times the person you know yourself to be.

                Keep asking for ideas, people like to seem wise. Ask your crowd for feedback: really. Love them. They'll get it.

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                • MagiCol
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 40

                  #23
                  Wow, Mr. Taxi Trix, that is a whole lot of good advice. Thanks for bringing it from the Library to this thread for our attention.
                  I'm finding that the more I'm understanding/performing Street Magic the more I have yet to deal with. It's like I'm dealing with a growing circumference/edge of a circle.

                  A few years back when I started out performing in the public I felt scared to even stand and set up where I wanted to perform; I was very self-conscious.
                  Now when I arrive at my pitch I think, "Here I am, this is my place.I own my pitch while I'm here." Where-ever I am, I am my show.

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                  • davidkaye
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 131

                    #24
                    Originally posted by MagiCol
                    A few years back when I started out performing in the public I felt scared to even stand and set up where I wanted to perform; I was very self-conscious.
                    That's a big thrill, to be able to go from self-conscious to owning the performance. I feel that way with my button accordion. In the beginning I played really out of the way places where nobody was because I felt so self-conscious. I was invited to play a few paying gigs, including a restaurant, but I turned them down because I was scared out of my mind.

                    Today I'll play anywhere, and I also volunteer my playing if it will enhance someone else's show or charity event.

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